Jul 2023
10:56pm, 22 Jul 2023
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LindsD
That was to Fields. Sorry paulcook. Thread moving too fast
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Jul 2023
10:57pm, 22 Jul 2023
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paulcook
I totally understand your frustration. Absolutely. What I don't understand is "And there's not a cat in hell's chance of me voting for a party if their best line is "we're not as shit" as them. Even/especially if them is the shittest government ever." Because same as Fields. It's not a reason to vote for them. I was more answering the question of "who is least bad" rather than current Labour manifesto/policy, etc, but if that's the best they can come up with, then no I won't be voting for them. It was probably a flippant answer to a hypothetically nonsense question, which I paraphrased into more hypothetical nonsense. |
Jul 2023
10:57pm, 22 Jul 2023
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Derby Tup
You vote for whoever has the best chance of beating the worst choice. Where I live there is an area of local fascists and local elections have thrown up far right success. A good friend of mine, who is what I would call a true socialist voted Tory and actually campaigned for them to keep out the far right. It's about pragmatism not idealism. That, and not making shit choices liking voting for Brexit, UKIP etc
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Jul 2023
10:57pm, 22 Jul 2023
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LindsD
But I still don't understand. What's the alternative? Apart from getting involved in politics yourself, which would be great but most of us don't.
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Jul 2023
10:58pm, 22 Jul 2023
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LindsD
Sorry missed the last two posts typing mine
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Jul 2023
10:59pm, 22 Jul 2023
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LindsD
But DT said what I would have said. We have to work with what we have.
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Jul 2023
10:59pm, 22 Jul 2023
63,032 posts
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LindsD
We can't change anything ranting on here
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Jul 2023
11:01pm, 22 Jul 2023
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paulcook
You vote for whoever has the best chance of beating the worst choice. Where I live there is an area of local fascists and local elections have thrown up far right success. A good friend of mine, who is what I would call a true socialist voted Tory and actually campaigned for them to keep out the far right. It's about pragmatism not idealism. That, and not making shit choices liking voting for Brexit, UKIP etc Unless, we're talking about the same person, he wouldn't be the only one, as I know someone highish in the local Labour party who lived in Haworth, or at least the Worth Valley, and voted Tory to keep out the BNP, though I'm going back lots of years now. I suppose it depends how much you can hold your nose. Right now I can't see any other choice for me to vote than Green, even though I'll be about one of only a handful of people here doing so. |
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Jul 2023
11:03pm, 22 Jul 2023
60,598 posts
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Derby Tup
The amount of time some folk spend on here moaning is incredible. If they spent a fraction of it lobbying their local MP, doorstepping for their choice, leafletting, talking to youngsters etc they'd have a much better chance of making a change. Get involved. Join a Union if you can. Become active. Oh, and don't feed the bastard trolls
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Jul 2023
11:05pm, 22 Jul 2023
60,599 posts
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Derby Tup
You vote for whoever has the best chance of beating the worst choice. Where I live there is an area of local fascists and local elections have thrown up far right success. A good friend of mine, who is what I would call a true socialist voted Tory and actually campaigned for them to keep out the far right. It's about pragmatism not idealism. That, and not making shit choices liking voting for Brexit, UKIP etc Unless, we're talking about the same person, he wouldn't be the only one, as I know someone highish in the local Labour party who lived in Haworth, or at least the Worth Valley, and voted Tory to keep out the BNP, though I'm going back lots of years now. I suppose it depends how much you can hold your nose. Right now I can't see any other choice for me to vote than Green, even though I'll be about one of only a handful of people here doing so. My friend is a she and it wasn't mega recent. Politics is all all holding your nose and not listening to people you don't agree with |
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