Jul 2023
12:46pm, 22 Jul 2023
9,706 posts
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simbil
Can I ask why people are sure Labour will be a one term wonder? I thought it likely they would be judged on what they do plus how lucky they get with global events contrasted with how the Tories reshape themselves to challenge.
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Jul 2023
12:49pm, 22 Jul 2023
41,844 posts
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SPR
That was the point I saw from the article. Starmer saw the point of ULEX a couple of months back, now he's running away from it because it might be a polarising issue. You can't run away from every polarising issue, sometimes you have to lead!
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Jul 2023
12:51pm, 22 Jul 2023
41,845 posts
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SPR
Can I ask why people are sure Labour will be a one term wonder? I thought it likely they would be judged on what they do plus how lucky they get with global events contrasted with how the Tories reshape themselves to challenge. I haven't made this point, but I think people think they won't get lucky and they aren't indicating they will change much so will be blamed for not getting lucky. I'm sure I've seen elsewhere before now that the next election might be a good one to lose. |
Jul 2023
1:08pm, 22 Jul 2023
30,644 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Labour could be a one term wonder. They may not be. Nobody knows because there are too many variables and too many unknowns and differential outcomes, but some seem to have already selected their future scenario as their truth. Respectfully, they no more know the answer than anyone else. Oh I remember those halcyon days of 1981, when the Thatch was on the ropes and looking at one term - if that - until Galtieri and the junta threw her a lifeline. The rest is History. “I’m not voting Labour in 2024 because it will just lead to another, worse, Tory government in 2030” seems to me to be a particularly tangled and attenuated chain of reasoning, however. Out on the logic event horizon so it is. |
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Jul 2023
1:20pm, 22 Jul 2023
30,645 posts
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Johnny Blaze
One of the advantages of spending a long time in opposition is that the shadow cabinet can be - certainly has been - more stable and less prone to musical chairs than the govt, and they have time to master their brief and craft policy platforms without their time being chewed up by the process of government. Plus, of course, the Tories have nobbled themselves by their protracted bouts of scrapping and the destructive waste of bandwidth caused by their own wretched Brexit project. It’s hardly surprising they’ve delivered chuff all and they are exhausted and devoid of ideas. My alternative thesis is a decent Labour majority and two years of ramming through progressive legislation which improves the lot of many different communities in the country. That would be a good start, but I worry that they could be derailed by events at some point. The world looks very unstable at the moment and there’s a lot of bad shit that could go down in the next five years. |
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Jul 2023
1:37pm, 22 Jul 2023
41,849 posts
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SPR
Everyone should be pressuring Starmer to implement PR. It will solve the one term issue for starters as the Tories won't be getting in under PR. twitter.com |
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Jul 2023
1:44pm, 22 Jul 2023
30,646 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I was just reading a thing about a bi-partisan approach to climate change policies. Sounds like a good idea to me but I’ve no idea how it can happen in our adversarial system.
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Jul 2023
1:56pm, 22 Jul 2023
3,044 posts
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paulcook
Either I'm missing something or Starmer has said today that Tories shouldn't be criticising Labour policy. Erm what? theguardian.com He added: “We are doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour party end up on each and every Tory leaflet. We’ve got to face up to that and learn the lessons.” |
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Jul 2023
1:59pm, 22 Jul 2023
41,853 posts
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SPR
He's saying the policy is wrong because Tories criticised it and it seems to have worked.
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Jul 2023
2:05pm, 22 Jul 2023
30,647 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I’d see criticism from the Tories as a sign I’m doing something right. I think someone needs to have a word in his shell-like.
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