Jul 2023
7:37am, 22 Jul 2023
30,643 posts
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Johnny Blaze
63% owned by Lebedev, 25% owned by the Daily Mail. Which I'm sure is an irrelevant fact here. |
Jul 2023
8:55am, 22 Jul 2023
9,663 posts
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Fields
Amazing the amount of denial and obfuscation there is about climate change. Winning slowly is the same as losing. |
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Jul 2023
8:56am, 22 Jul 2023
9,664 posts
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Fields
As for the by-elections you need to give people a reason to vote for you, as opposed to a reason to not vote for the incumbent
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Jul 2023
8:58am, 22 Jul 2023
41,842 posts
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SPR
63% owned by Lebedev, 25% owned by the Daily Mail. Which I'm sure is an irrelevant fact here. How is it relevant to the story? Is it a lie? |
Jul 2023
9:26am, 22 Jul 2023
2,741 posts
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Surelynot
London story appears in London paper
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Jul 2023
9:56am, 22 Jul 2023
9,665 posts
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Fields
As for ULEZ a few years ago shortly before it was introduced I was househunting in London. Found the polluted air very hard on my lungs.
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Jul 2023
10:23am, 22 Jul 2023
2,683 posts
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Canute
As I see it, the strongest argument for Ulez is the damage that air pollution from vehicles produces in lungs. Lung cancer is part of the problem, but other lung diseases probably cause more disability and death. I wonder whether Kier's main point was the lung damage. The emphasis on cancer might merely be a jounalistic embelishment. Whether or not that is the case, Labour need to make the case for Ulez in London and elsewhere on the basis of the damage to health. |
Jul 2023
10:41am, 22 Jul 2023
98,752 posts
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swittle
The Ella Roberta Foundation. A fresh inquest in Dec. 2020 led by Philip Barlow concluded that: “Ella died of asthma contributed to by exposure to excessive air pollution”. She had lived in Lewisham, close to the S Circular Road. ellaroberta.org Mayor of London's statement 10 years after Ella's death: tinyurl.com |
Jul 2023
10:50am, 22 Jul 2023
3,042 posts
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paulcook
This story is 2 years old but shows the dramatic drop in levels of NO2. I suspect there's a lot more than just ULEZ at play here with cars, buses, taxis, lorries, etc possibly emitting less anyway. theguardian.com And yet despite those drops the story even says 99% of London still has particle levels above WHO limits. Anecdotally, in terms of your post Fields, most of my running is away from the urban environment, but I do tend to notice increased difficulty breathing when I'm running alongside roads. That may just be psychological, impossible to tell, but I'd support ULEZ / CAZ in most UK cities. |
Jul 2023
11:32am, 22 Jul 2023
20,560 posts
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Chrisull
Several comments, one from today (reported by Lewis Goodall), one from Angela Rayner, one from yesterday, and one a quote from Jonathan Gould's memoirs of the Blair years: Keir Starmer going further than ever in effectively criticising ULEZ at Labour’s National Policy Forum: “In an election policy matters. And we're doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour Party end up on each and every Tory leaflet. twitter.com Angela Rayner in the Telegraph "Labour’s deputy leader blames policy for party’s loss in Uxbridge and Ruislip by-election" telegraph.co.uk And from Andrew Fisher, Corbyn's former head of policy: "Don't legitimise your opponent's framing: Labour lost this on 4 July, when the candidate came out against ULEZ It's been a monumental task for the Tories to deflect this by-election from the scandals of Boris Johnson, and the Government failure on the NHS, economy, schools, etc" twitter.com on the public - "However on the big picture, their lives, the country, its direction - they form a view that is surprisingly untouched by the transient and surprisingly registers what matters" twitter.com Why are Labour overreacting to this annoying but minor setback? Come 2024 elections, Selby will go Tory, Uxbridge (with student support) will go Labour. "Brain meltingly stupid" as one journalist puts it. I listened to Zack Polanski's (deputy of greens) interview today, and not only did I agree with everything he said, I'd already written it here or said it to my better half. |
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