Jul 2023
11:29pm, 22 Jul 2023
9,669 posts
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Fields
In my own constituency Labour have been second place the last few times around, and it was Liberal Democrat up to 2010, not sure who is in the ascendancy at present tbh and whether the LD revival in traditional heartlands has much substance to it. Lack of commitment to the green new deal mooted a while ago is disturbing. |
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Jul 2023
11:34pm, 22 Jul 2023
9,670 posts
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Fields
Re not voting LindsD perhaps, I don’t know maybe TUSC will stand here. If only the likely winner of the next election would support PR, instead of wanting to maintain the status quo. His paranoid purges of the left rival that of Hoxha, but at least old Enver enjoyed a Norman Wisdom film now and again |
Jul 2023
11:38pm, 22 Jul 2023
20,580 posts
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Chrisull
JB - yeah I can see that, I'm not 100% certain myself... I suppose I'm looking to the US and extrapolating how Biden could lead to DeSantis, fortunately DeSantis is an absolute gibbering idiot it seems intent on destroying his own electability. Trump is doing his best to end up in jail, so hope springs eternal. Anyway onwards Spain tomorrow... here's to Sanchez and SUMAR and hoping they can stem the tide, or at least deny the bastards (PPE and Vox) an overall majority. |
Jul 2023
11:41pm, 22 Jul 2023
30,650 posts
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Johnny Blaze
The US scene is too complex to call. I hope Biden beats Trump but it’s by no means a done deal. These are strange days.
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Jul 2023
7:23am, 23 Jul 2023
25,265 posts
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Bazoaxe
In my constituency I have a similar issue. The seat has voted labour once. In 1929. It has then voted conservative until 1997 when in Scotland you didn’t vote conservative. It has then become Lib Dem apart from a short spell as Snp. Labour were a distant fourth last time out and will never win the seat. I used to vote labour knowing the vote was having no effect. I have more recently become a tactical voter. I do suspect many people here vote the way they do because of the history and likely outcome rather than their first choice. |
Jul 2023
8:28am, 23 Jul 2023
8,063 posts
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Pothunter
There’s no real incentive for either main party to actively campaign for PR because they will both end up losing significant numbers of MPs. So while it would benefit us (the general public) it will hurt the parties. IMO, if you don’t vote you lose your right to complain about the result / resulting impact. I don’t care who you vote for (although obviously I’d like you to align with my own way of thinking  ) but too many people around the world are denied the right to vote for us to thrown away our rights in a fit of pique because our preferred party are not left/right/centrist (delete as applicable) enough for us.
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Jul 2023
8:29am, 23 Jul 2023
15,152 posts
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jda
The reason Labour will be a one term govt is that they have no hope of credibly reversing the UK’s problems while they wholeheartedly endorse their main source. The slow puncture of brexit will continue to deflate our economy regardless of what tinkering around the edges they propose. Whenever they are a gnat’s crotchet to the left of full fascist, the press will hammer them. Besides, “we’re doing full Tory but only because we have to, not because we believe in it” isn’t going to keep convincing anyone outside a handful of die-hards and there aren’t enough of them. |
Jul 2023
10:14am, 23 Jul 2023
2,709 posts
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Big_G
Bazo, I agree with that. I’m in a similar situation here, as I posted the other day, where it’s literally a wasted vote to vote Labour. I want the Torys out but when I live in a constituency that saw Con gains at the recent locals elections (one of only 2 Con gains, country wide), what am I supposed to do? I swore I’d never vote LD again after they jumped into bed with the Torys, but to have any chance of ousting our Tory MP, sadly I’m going to have to.
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Jul 2023
10:28am, 23 Jul 2023
30,651 posts
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Johnny Blaze
JDA you have made a number of statements of “facts” in your previous post which are not facts but your own opinions on a possible future. There is more than one possible future and neither you nor I can predict what the actual out turn will be. But one thing I can predict with 100% certainty: if the Tories get in again your prediction of the continuing decline caused by Brexit is much more likely because they are a party wedded to Brexit heart and soul and will never reverse their view unless over a huge period of time. Labour are not a Brexit party and never will be, and over time they will expand the political space in which Brexit is analysed, discussed and ameliorated. At some point we will make substantive steps to change the terms of Brexit. That is highly unlikely to happen under the Tories because they will never accept the failure of their idiotic project. I believe Labour will give us a shot once the time is ripe: time, demographics and the continuing shitshow will make it inevitable. The only real question is when. Could be a long time, sad to say, but I do believe it’s an inevitability. Time will tell. |
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Jul 2023
11:32am, 23 Jul 2023
9,671 posts
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Fields
JDA you’ve written Brexit but you must mean neoliberalism Surely some mistake? |
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