Jul 2023
11:33am, 4 Jul 2023
62,710 posts
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LindsD
Green agenda also started in Germany WAY before here.
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Jul 2023
11:37am, 4 Jul 2023
22,399 posts
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richmac
Ahh yes forgot about that pesky properly democratic system
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Jul 2023
11:41am, 4 Jul 2023
15,060 posts
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jda
Local greens round here have some council experience. Seem a decent bunch, I have voted for them and may do again next time. No-one's perfect of course, they have their lunatic fringe. |
Jul 2023
11:50am, 4 Jul 2023
30,538 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I like to idly speculate how politics would re-align if we had PR. Greens and LD would get more seats. The SNP would probably get less. Lab and Tories would probably get less. Plus we would have some new parties joining the bunfight: Reform probably Old Bozza's New Tory Party Govey's party for kids who were bullied at school because they were teachers' narks A New Centrist Party led by nice sensible people like Clare Balding, Chris Packham and Shakin' Stevens The Little England I'm No Racist But party |
Jul 2023
11:59am, 4 Jul 2023
1,887 posts
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fuzzyduck79
My fundamental reason for not voting for them, above the fact that they do not have a competent depth of talent to form a government That hasn't stopped the Tories tbh Johnson, Raab, Braverman, Hancock, Barclay, Dorries, Patel, Sunak, Zahawi, Gove, Kwarteng, Coffey, Williamson, Dowden, Shapps, Rees-Mogg, Truss A pretty hopeless bunch of untalented people, for me. Makes me wonder how unbelievably strong the civil service must be to cope with so many donkeys at the top. People probably thought Ardern was too young for parliament at 28, and PM at 37 (went from MP to deputy/LOTO/PM in seven months). From a distance, I think she proved to be a much stronger leader than many others. If the Greens suddenly rose to power in the UK, I wouldn't be that concerned about their talent because the alternatives are mediocre at best anyway. I'd be more braced for the RW media self interested backlash to turn people against them and the country to then lurch so far to the right that we were back to being ruled by people of Johnson/Truss calibre. The UK will be stumbling/sliding backwards until we get PR, just at different speeds. |
Jul 2023
12:04pm, 4 Jul 2023
2,635 posts
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Big_G
I am not qualified to say really, but my partner is Dutch and keeps on top of things in NL. She tells me there are right wingers making a lot of noise, and getting support, in the coalition there. Not sure how many without Googling, but the coalition is made up of multiple parties (okay, I just googled, and it’s apparently currently 16 parties in the house representatives, with 3 main parties including the right wing, anti Muslim, populist party PVV, according to Wikipedia).
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Jul 2023
12:04pm, 4 Jul 2023
30,539 posts
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Johnny Blaze
My fundamental reason for not voting for them, above the fact that they do not have a competent depth of talent to form a government That hasn't stopped the Tories tbh Johnson, Raab, Braverman, Hancock, Barclay, Dorries, Patel, Sunak, Zahawi, Gove, Kwarteng, Coffey, Williamson, Dowden, Shapps, Rees-Mogg, Truss A pretty hopeless bunch of untalented people, for me. Makes me wonder how unbelievably strong the civil service must be to cope with so many donkeys at the top. People probably thought Ardern was too young for parliament at 28, and PM at 37 (went from MP to deputy/LOTO/PM in seven months). From a distance, I think she proved to be a much stronger leader than many others. If the Greens suddenly rose to power in the UK, I wouldn't be that concerned about their talent because the alternatives are mediocre at best anyway. I'd be more braced for the RW media self interested backlash to turn people against them and the country to then lurch so far to the right that we were back to being ruled by people of Johnson/Truss calibre. The UK will be stumbling/sliding backwards until we get PR, just at different speeds. Agree 100%. Johnson couldn't do a decent job running a whelk stall but it's a sign of our screwed up system that incompetence, arrogance and stupidity are absolutely no obstacles to attaining high office. Money, privilege, connections and a deluded sense of your own ability are all you need. Competence and a desire to serve others rather than yourself not so much. |
Jul 2023
12:20pm, 4 Jul 2023
2,926 posts
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paulcook
PR will be a potential double-whammy for green policy, especially in terms of people wavering because of Green party inexperience in government. If there is a bigger threat of them getting better representation, then it may also get the bigger parties to take on board more green policy instead. |
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Jul 2023
12:20pm, 4 Jul 2023
30,540 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Sunak’s five targets all looking very shaky. Even the soft ones that he has little chance of influencing anyway. Cue every govt dept working frantically and no doubt expensively and inefficiently to game the targets so Rish! doesn’t look silly in 6 months. bbc.co.uk |
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Jul 2023
12:23pm, 4 Jul 2023
30,541 posts
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Johnny Blaze
All of those targets affected by Brexit shenanigans as well, I would say. You reap what you sow. Or at least we do… he’ll be on his toes to Malibu after he is punted.
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