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Jun 2022
8:49am, 1 Jun 2022
4,746 posts
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Fields
Can be applied to a lot of UK govt policy historically, wait and see rather than take action at the right time.
I’m sure the initial covid lockdown delay falls into this category but civil engineering projects also spring to mind
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Jun 2022
8:51am, 1 Jun 2022
1,169 posts
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paulcook
Oh and *there. Oops
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Jun 2022
9:43am, 1 Jun 2022
27,388 posts
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Johnny Blaze
It all boils down to a simple question: do I think this man can get us another election victory? I think when push comes to shove most of them will say no.
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Jun 2022
11:43am, 1 Jun 2022
17,124 posts
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rf_fozzy
We'll see. I remain sceptical.
At present on 18 have publicly declared they've put in letters and only another 17 have said he should resign (and may or may not have put in letters).
And I remain sceptical that 181 Tory MPs will vote against Johnson.
We'll see.
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Jun 2022
12:03pm, 1 Jun 2022
27,389 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Fair bag. I can see why he could win it. A 7% swing could lose them about 100 seats so I can see at least 100 voting against him. I would bank on most the One Nation Tories voting against him but we shall never know, and they don't seem to be a big group anyway - quelle surprise.
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Jun 2022
12:09pm, 1 Jun 2022
4,214 posts
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J2R
Fozzy, there's no way on earth 181 Tory MPs would vote against Johnson if it was on a matter of principle, or the good of the country, something like that. But I could see them doing so if they felt their seats were at stake.
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Jun 2022
12:52pm, 1 Jun 2022
18,002 posts
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larkim
If he does have to rise to a NC challenge he'll definitely start out on the usual approach of bluster and backstabbing. My hope / sense though is that enough of his PCP have had the veil lifted from their eyes and no longer see him as a electoral gold-dust so his usually tactics will fail with enough Tory MPs that he is fatally wounded.
What happens after that though is the interesting bit. If he wins but has 30-40% of his PCP vote against him, I'd not bet against him trying to tough it out and hang on though and that could be equally messy and damaging.
The press are certainly not letting this go at the moment; whether some of that is just their Westminster wet dreams or if there is substance to it or not I'm on the fence about.
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Jun 2022
1:00pm, 1 Jun 2022
7,450 posts
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Dave W
"What damage a change of leader will do".
Maybe true, if they were thinking about getting rid of someone even in the vicinity of being capable. But the incumbent (which, if you remove some of the letters is what I really think of him) isn't even in the same galaxy as "capable". As someone has previously stated, he is a reverse Midas. Everything he touches turns to shit.
The sad thing is the Tories know he is effing useless, but they are keeping him there for purely selfish reasons. All that bollocks about becoming an MP to "serve the country" is just that, a load of old bollocks.
Self serving shitbags, the lot of them.
I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire (but conversely I would if they weren't).
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Jun 2022
2:57pm, 1 Jun 2022
42,475 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I heard a report that Johnson and his aides starting on the bribery and threats, ahem, I mean professional discourse with MPs to ensure 180 support him in NC vote next week. I believe he is good at horse trading and will promise enough "free money" or government initiatives to key areas to ensure his support. Nothing is below this PM. He's good at Lord of the Flies type survival, imho. (Much as it saddens me).
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Jun 2022
3:07pm, 1 Jun 2022
1,170 posts
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paulcook
What constitutes bribery?
My MP is staunchly behind Johnson. And I suspect much is because he’s getting money for the town via a combination of Johnson and the regional mayor, and indirectly via Johnson.
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Fantasy General Election
Jul 2024
