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Jul 2021
12:03pm, 13 Jul 2021
3,703 posts
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J2R
We don't have ANY motorway in Norfolk, DeeGee!
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Jul 2021
12:22pm, 13 Jul 2021
5,092 posts
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mr d
For some reason I always thought the M11 crept into Norfolk. Not 1 mile in Suffolk.
Immingham seems to have the largest tonnage capacity. Felixstowe get 48% of imported containers and is in the top 10 largest ports in Europe.
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Jul 2021
12:38pm, 13 Jul 2021
21,104 posts
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DeeGee
The M180 runs into the *historic* county of Lincolnshire. It is, of course, in the strategic planning local area known as "the Humber".
The area governed by Lincolnshire County Council, the second largest county council by area in England, has no miles of Motorway, surprisingly few miles of dual carriageway, the highest road fatalities rate in the country, and just two stations served by direct trains to London.
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Jul 2021
1:14pm, 13 Jul 2021
14,883 posts
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rf_fozzy
We shouldn't be asking for more road building.
Road *improvement* maybe, but not new roads - more roads = more traffic, which then requires further road building. The evidence on this is unequivocal
It's other infrastructure that's required.
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Jul 2021
1:16pm, 13 Jul 2021
3,705 posts
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J2R
Lincolnshire also has what I'm afraid to say is the most tedious long stretch of road in the country (or so it seems to me), the A17. It is, alas, one of the only viable ways out of Norfolk (and it starts in Norfolk and is no less boring there, in case I'm accused of being countyist).
I have wondered for some years about campaigning for an A17 bypass. It is a road I'm more than happy to travel at night.
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Jul 2021
3:30pm, 13 Jul 2021
5,093 posts
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mr d
Agreed Fozzy, no one seems to see moving Freight/passengers by rail as a vote winner.
Same with Dutch style cycling infrastructure on which they get an incredible return on investment. Or with being honest that car drivers aren't over taxed or persecuted more subsidised and protected.
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Jul 2021
5:07pm, 13 Jul 2021
3,706 posts
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J2R
The trouble is, surely, that the amount of money and commitment to do these things properly, like they've done in Holland with cycling, means that they're never likely to get off the ground. They'd be howled down instantly in the Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun, etc. So you end up getting little bits of things which don't fit together too will.
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Jul 2021
6:29pm, 13 Jul 2021
14,889 posts
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rf_fozzy
Just takes political will.
What happened to tmw btw?
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Jul 2021
6:50pm, 13 Jul 2021
16,191 posts
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richmac
It does but the political will is only for saying any old shit to people to get you elected.
Hoping Starmer will have a copy of the Tories 2019 manifesto in his hand at noon tomorrow.
TMW, troll licence expired?
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Jul 2021
8:01pm, 13 Jul 2021
3,707 posts
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J2R
Of course, there IS the will to do something truly massive, which transforms the country irrevocably. The trouble is it's just for that act of perverse, grotesque self-harm which is a hard Brexit.
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