Nov 2020
4:25pm, 11 Nov 2020
16,893 posts
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Chrisull
Just listened to the Van Jones thing again. I was incorrect, it ends up in Congress, not the Senate. If they filibuster, the shit out of it, it's Congress. So basically Pelosi would end up as president, to sort it out. The other point was on Jan 2020, the old president stops being president, the precise quote "the office leaves the holder rather than the holder leaves the office". Trump doesn't really have viable routes out of this.
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Nov 2020
5:03pm, 11 Nov 2020
24,066 posts
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Johnny Blaze
More reading... He "could" run enough interference that makes it impossible for Biden to get a majority in the electoral college - which means it goes to Congress where the numbers could work in his favour as votes are by state rather than by member. However he would still need to flip or otherwise invalidate the EC in several states and he would need not only states but Congress to go against the will of the people. Can't see it happening myself. On Jan 21st there is a new president - Biden - or Pelosi. Highly unlikely to be Trump but I guess you should never say never. By this stage we will know if the US has forfeited its right to be classed as a functioning democracy. What will clearly be the case whatever happens is that Trump will have found yet new levels to his debasement of the office of President. History won't be kind. |
Nov 2020
5:05pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,648 posts
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larkim
Confused by the 2018 reference to faithless electors? There were in fact faithless electors in 2016 (10) and some (7) succeeeded in casting alternative votes, though insufficient to make any difference. My understanding of the SC position on them is that states are free to legislate howsoever they see fit as to how they handle electors so whilst they can control gung-ho individuals who take it upon themselves to vote in a different way, they also can control the electors directly and if that is to unlink them from the popular vote then that can happen. brookings.edu Radiolab did a podcast on it wnycstudios.org which some might like. There's a transcript on that site too. That also suggests its a joint session of Congress, so Senate + Congress together that would handle the process and the VP is the president of a joint session, so Pence not Pelosi. Radiolab could be wrong, it's where I'm getting most of my info from, so therefore I could be wrong! |
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Nov 2020
6:14pm, 11 Nov 2020
16,894 posts
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Chrisull
JB - oh yes I forgot in this event about the Congress going on votes by state. But yes, it's difficult. and 2018 - ok not faithless electors - who only come into play in presidential elections, but Trump tried something in 2018 that failed and was rumoured to attempt to try again. Like I said before, worry about it in mid December. Gore didn't concede til December 12th, and while he did concede immediately on the SC ruling, here, the SC aren't likely to rule against Trump, so it's actually not that an unusual scenario yet. Biden would probably not have conceded in a similar scenario (although he would have conducted himself infinitely better I'm sure). Trump's concession becomes more likely if the college vote goes through. |
Nov 2020
6:42pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,223 posts
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rf_fozzy
I don't think he will concede. Nor will he attend the inauguration. That way he can claim he was cheated when running in 2024. If he concedes or attends the inauguration, it's a public admission of him losing. And in his head that doesn't happen |
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Nov 2020
7:23pm, 11 Nov 2020
24,067 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I agree. He will never concede. That would make him a loser, which is an anathema to him, plus he is working on the Big Lie for next time - we wuz robbed. He won't be around by then anyway - mental and physical decline will rule him out, assuming he isn't in jail. |
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Nov 2020
7:29pm, 11 Nov 2020
24,068 posts
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Johnny Blaze
My big hope at the moment is that Twitter finally has the cojones to delete his account. The meltdown would be monumental but most of his "followers" wouldn't get to hear it. A relief for them, I'm sure.
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Nov 2020
7:48pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,224 posts
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rf_fozzy
Except all the far right are moving to parler anyway. Because apparently conservatives are being "cancelled" But we've had this debate about how the right (nor the far left for that matter) doesn't want "free speech" they want freedom from criticism. |
Nov 2020
8:08pm, 11 Nov 2020
3,224 posts
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J2R
It's OK to try to overrule the results of a free and fair election, but it's absolutely a step too far when Twitter puts a warning next to a Tweet from someone influential which contains an outright lie.
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Nov 2020
8:41pm, 11 Nov 2020
24,069 posts
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Johnny Blaze
If Drumpf moves to Twitter i am sure he will demand a fee for bringing his followers with him. Avarice and narcissism are his only drivers.
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