Nov 2020
1:56pm, 11 Nov 2020
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Markymarkmark
Looking over the pond, I'm beginning to quite like having an hereditary Head of State! At least her impact is limited..... But seriously... House of Lords. Rejecting the latest Government Brexit legislation. Personally, I think they're right to thoroughly trounce it and send it back to the Commons, but if the Government can simply pull a "whipped" vote to override that and pass it onto the statute book, what's the point? There's apparently nothing other than a convention that the "upper" house is only a revising house - it has no real power? If that's the case, then the continuing low level push to reform or abolish is just noise to distract from more serious matters. |
Nov 2020
2:01pm, 11 Nov 2020
24,059 posts
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Johnny Blaze
The drop dead date is Jan 20th but I think the key question is whether he will continue to keep screaming before Dec 8th and how. "This is known as the safe harbour deadline. That means that Congress cannot challenge any electors named by this date in accordance with state law. Most states want their electors named by this deadline, to ensure Congress cannot disregard them" At this point "I guess" we shall know if he has successfully perverted the count or the electoral college. My understanding is that most states have a "winner takes all" approach to allocating the EC voters and these people have pledged to vote for their own party. The chances of Dems being extorted or bribed into voting for Drumpf must be infinitesimal. I assume the shenanigans are going to be all about overturning ballots and flipping the result and possibly pressuring states into not playing ball with the Dems. The former will almost certainly not work. The latter, dunno. All for the ego of one man. What a shambles. The GOP could lance this boil really quickly and the fact they haven't shows they aren't fit to govern. |
Nov 2020
2:04pm, 11 Nov 2020
36,412 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Thanks JB. Mark, Lords has only ever been a "check" on Commons. Because they're not elected it's right that they can't block Commons. But the solution is to abolish Lords and replace with an elected or publicly selected upper house. Imho.  G
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Nov 2020
2:06pm, 11 Nov 2020
3,220 posts
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J2R
It isn't all for the ego of one man, though, is it, JB? That's what drives him - but he's very useful to the Republicans, they have been able to use him to push a very radical agenda, which they'd love to be able to continue with.
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Nov 2020
2:18pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,643 posts
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larkim
The issue JB is that the State Governor or the State Legislature appoints the electors I think, and if the incumbent governor or the majority in the legislature don't match the presidential vote outcome then there is scope for electors to be sent who are instructed not to follow the outcome of the presidential vote. It can happen, and whilst most states have laws to mandate that the electors follow the popular vote outcome, most of those nonetheless have no penalty or outcome if the votes aren't cast as they should be. fairvote.org |
Nov 2020
2:25pm, 11 Nov 2020
6,671 posts
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Raemond
They're called 'faithless electors', aren't they, when they don't cast their votes in the college in line with the outcome of the plebiscite in the state? There as a thing about two from Washington state, iirc, refusing to cast their votes for Hillary because of some offence she'd been involved with against the First Nation people there. |
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Nov 2020
2:25pm, 11 Nov 2020
6,672 posts
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Raemond
(should have clicked on the link. d'oh)
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Nov 2020
2:45pm, 11 Nov 2020
36,413 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
J2R, ,it's like Farage and the right wing of Tories. Farage gets popular support for crazy stuff e.g. Brexit, or immigration restrictions etc. Then Cons party lurches to right claiming aligning with electorate and moderate Tories are pushed out. Very useful to the Rees Mogg, Johnson, right of party.
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Nov 2020
2:46pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,644 posts
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larkim
There were 10 of the 538 electors set to be faithless in 2016, a record I think. Not all of them "worked" as their state laws effectively reversed the electors intent or replaced them, but valid ballots were cast by 7 of them. en.wikipedia.org |
Nov 2020
2:49pm, 11 Nov 2020
368 posts
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Hunkyteddy
On the WFH issue, I agree that roads are busier than in April but just assumed it was people doing 'essential shopping' at B and Q. It would be helpful to see the same slides that were put up in the press conferences in the first lockdown to do with travel. Though maybe they dont want us to see it as it will highlight their failure. Would be good if one of the hopeless press pack challenged them on it. |
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