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Nov 2020
10:48am, 11 Nov 2020
3,216 posts
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J2R
Something I have found encouraging is how quickly media coverage moved on to talking about Biden as President Elect and what he was going to do as President, rather than sticking with the election as if it was an ongoing process. Trump's shenanigans have been treated as a kind of sideshow, just as they should be.
This might just be an echo chamber effect, though, I'm not sure.
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Nov 2020
10:51am, 11 Nov 2020
69,685 posts
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swittle
Heard v early today on World Service that those wishing to contact 'The Office of the President Elect' are having to go through diplomats of the Obama era.
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Nov 2020
11:46am, 11 Nov 2020
12,636 posts
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larkim
It's definitely the case that the media are giving no truck to Trump, with the clear steer from Murdoch (where he has control) that has shifted the editorial position away from supporting Trump. The unsubstantiated fraud claims etc that Fox has been cutting away from would have definitely been allowed for if Fox was running "business as usual".
My fear though is that despite the "mainstream media" moving on to Biden as being president elect, Trumps ability to access the non-mainstream routes to energise his base will mean that no amount of congratulatory messages from foreign leaders or fixed narrative in the the press will be able to hold back the tide of "popular support" for what is that most classic of Trump things - fake news (about fraud).
We need to start seeing a few of the cases brought by Trump either dismissed outright, or at least heard and dismissed. Fingers crossed. Though if *any* go his way he will be back on the factual front foot being able to say that the courts have agreed with him, and that will further energise the position he holds. I truly hope that deep down there is a democratic soul to him, but I think it's a vain hope; he simply doesn't believe there is a position he can be in which is that of being a loser and his only way of handling it is to try to convince other people that he isn't a loser, ignoring the reality of the actual transfer of power process.
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Nov 2020
11:48am, 11 Nov 2020
36,409 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
How long can he drag it out for with legal shenanigans? Every legal case that progresses, or even is dismissed, is a story and gives his ranting oxygen. He's going to be hard to extinguish.  G
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Nov 2020
11:48am, 11 Nov 2020
14,561 posts
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richmac
That is encouraging J2R. I hard that to Switts, the department responsible for transition is run my Trumpistas and is refusing to cooperate on the flimsy pretext that the election isnt over due to allegations of fraud. If you were unaware that the refusal was a direction from Trump then you might think "hang on there's something to this then". Which is what they want. To make their lies and twists seem reasonable.
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Nov 2020
11:56am, 11 Nov 2020
12,637 posts
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larkim
Just looking at the BBC graphs etc, and noticed that both NY and NJ are still only in the 80%+ counted territory. I know the results there won't change, is there something specific about those states that means they are leaving counting later? I'd have thought they were fairly straightforward ones to count, heavily urbanised etc etc.
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Nov 2020
12:02pm, 11 Nov 2020
3,217 posts
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J2R
larkim, yes, that is indeed undoubtedly the aim, and I have no doubt it will be to some degree effective. But the mainstream media are indulging his shit far less than they have been over the last 4 years. As you say, though, it is vital that he is seen to be defeated legally on this, crushingly so.
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Nov 2020
12:19pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,218 posts
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rf_fozzy
Larkim - lots of ballots (because Urban!). And a lot of postal ballots that have to have the signatures etc verified.
So it takes a long time.
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Nov 2020
12:25pm, 11 Nov 2020
367 posts
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Hunkyteddy
Watching PMQs right now. Surely its hypocritical to have Parliament open when the rest of us are being told to work from home.
It adds nothing either.
(Sorry for not posting about the US elections, I think its all been done to death)
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Nov 2020
12:27pm, 11 Nov 2020
12,638 posts
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larkim
As far as I can tell by the traffic, no-one is currently WFH (certainly no more than last week or the week before)!
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