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Dec 2019
12:10am, 20 Dec 2019
23,006 posts
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Johnny Blaze
We'll be a little piece of right wing soil off the coast of Europe surrounded by a coterie of countries whose citizens can move freely to live, learn, work and retire across themselves with no loss of rights. But not here. No, no. Not here. We are "better than that".
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Dec 2019
12:36am, 20 Dec 2019
299 posts
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Brandon
Colonial past is only significant if people actually know about it (and can relate to it) and frankly, given the absolute apathy towards politics, voting and politicians generally in the present day, it just isn’t part of many peoples thinking. If for example the under 30’s can’t relate to it, just like WW2, then its ancient history and not relevant to them.
Regarding Diane Abbott, she just didn’t seem to know what she talking about. Whereas Boris, has a ‘celebrity’ factor so his gaffes and verbal diarrhoea, in my opinion is accepted because that is his persona – much like Trump. To many people he isn’t a politician, he is a celebrity & figure of fun, Have I Got News For You, the parachuting Mayor at the Commonwealth Games ceremony, etc, so he doesn’t have to operate in the same way as a politician and such behaviours or gaffes won’t affect him in the same way, if at all.
The election result was a reflection of the options people were presented with. It was either, ‘come on, enough of this let’s get on with it’ or ‘we’re not sure and don’t know, we’ll come back and ask you’ all on the back of years’ worth of Brexit talk that people were utterly bored of hearing about or just not interested in because it has gone on for so long.
The entitlement attitude is everywhere and not just in the UK and doesn’t belong to youth, it’s across all ages because complaining and demanding “I’ve got rights’, ‘I’ve been treated badly’ is easier than working hard or taking accountability for one’s own actions and current personal state. I think it has always been here but perhaps more prevalent these days.
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Dec 2019
12:42am, 20 Dec 2019
31,937 posts
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LindsD
Independent London. We voted Labour and Remain
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Dec 2019
5:20am, 20 Dec 2019
771 posts
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Ally-C
Nae luck with that LindsD, Labour are Unionist to the core.
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Dec 2019
8:39am, 20 Dec 2019
19,026 posts
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DeeGee
There will be people approaching their 60th birthdays at the end of the next decade who could well have only experienced 17 years of Labour government in their lifetimes. I presume that this means that, on the whole, people are doing OK. If they weren't, they'd change it.
I think part of the issue is the perception of "blame". Labour policies say "look at what's wrong", food banks, homeless, child poverty, all the stuff. They suggest that the way to resolve this is for "us" to work together to fix it, to take collective responsibility for the ills in society. Society is to blame, ergo "we" are to blame.
The Conservatives take a different approach. People are unemployed because they are lazy, they're homeless because they're addicted, kids are selling drugs to other kids because there are foreigners making them do it and their parents aren't taking enough control. "We" are not to blame. Other people are to blame. And I think a lot of people would contend that there are problems, but they'd rather not take the blame themselves.
It's a simple question of language, I think, and the Right have always felt a lot easier blaming others than taking suggesting that they have some responsibility themselves.
That's what Brexit is, too. It's a massive continent-wide collaborative effort to work together and improve things, but that implies that we own the problems in the first place. Because we can't see how we are to blame for the problems in Greece, because we couldn't really understand how we were responsible for the flight of thousands of middle-eastern refugees just before the referendum (remember, there was a two-pronged attack of us arming the soldiers while bombing shit out of their homes ourselves), and we couldn't really see why we had to shoulder the blame, that it's better to just extract ourselves to make the problems someone else's affair.
The plural left are currently doing a good job of what looks like blaming "Others" for the electoral defeat, Corbyn, Remainers, Centrists, Blairites, Liberal Democrats, Nationalists , but it isn't that. It's left-wing navel-gazing, blaming the plural left for the failings of the plural left. It's self-blame again!
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Dec 2019
8:41am, 20 Dec 2019
10,229 posts
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mrs shanksi
Good post DeeGee
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Dec 2019
8:45am, 20 Dec 2019
27,190 posts
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macca 53
I’m not sure Ally - the way we are regressing we may soon be back to the kingdoms of Essex, Kent and Wessex (or even the Danegeld)......
A conservative supporter I know told me yesterday (and not in a joking way), that he thought the government should help fund the refurbishment of Hadrians Wall in preparation for Scotland leaving the union and us needing a hard border. He seemed positively shocked when I told him that a lot of north-east England is north of the existing wall.....
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Dec 2019
8:53am, 20 Dec 2019
141 posts
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Stander Claus
And Cornwall can fuck right off too and go independent too.
Silly flag anyway.
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Dec 2019
8:57am, 20 Dec 2019
1,660 posts
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JRitchie
I think whether you perceive yourself left or right is a matter of perspective. The US regard an NHS system as Socialism gone mad yet protecting and enhancing it was the centre platform of the Labour and Conservative parties.
Similarly our Conservative party regard the labour election maifesto as socialism gone made, yet individually many of the nationalisation policies are part of the fabric of life in the rest of the EU where nationalised postal and energy companies exist (in fact some of those nationalised companies own some UK businesses).
I don't agree with DeeGees post. I think its harsh to paint all conservatives and conservative voters that way. Conservatives want a smaller state - more individual control and responsibility : Labour want a bigger state, less individual control and responsibility, that being given to the state machine. The dial swings over time between shades of left and right. We are not an extreme nation of a stalinist state or a facist dictatorship. Thank god. If we were we would't be able to have this chat.
Yes things can be done better but we are never going to start to make improvement from the position of everyone from the other party is a bastard. My last post was about Diane Abbott, a person who I changed my view about when I read about her history and her lifetime achievements. The godparent to Diane's son is an Ex-Conservative minister.
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Dec 2019
8:57am, 20 Dec 2019
9,829 posts
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larkim
All three of Newcastle parkrun's must be in Scotland then
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