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Dec 2019
11:27am, 20 Dec 2019
9,835 posts
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larkim
Funnily enough I see socialism as being the broad umbrella of things being "just the right thing to do" 
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Dec 2019
11:40am, 20 Dec 2019
8,324 posts
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simbil
I think neo-liberal philosophy challenges the the core idea of what is 'right' and asserts it is more a personal choice than some kind of objective truth.
But practically it does seem to end up as something like, ‘From each according to his whim, to each according to their perceived need, if there is anything available.’ Which might not be a slogan many people would get behind.
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Dec 2019
11:51am, 20 Dec 2019
1,661 posts
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JRitchie
Canute - A great post and I agree. It's a state's obligation to provide a safe landing net for its people when misfortune strikes and that includes when misfortune strikes at the point of birth (ie what you are born into). I like to think that most conservatives and labour agree with that principle - thought where the line is drawn in the amount of support is different and my view is that it should be more towards the labour side of policy than the conservative side.
However I do think that labour manifesto went too far. NHS investment and protection great fully agree. But nationalising broadband provision? Not an essential state service.
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Dec 2019
11:54am, 20 Dec 2019
2,484 posts
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J2R
If the Labour manifesto had consisted of the single line "We're going to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn and replace him with Keir Starmer" they would have won a comfortable majority.
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Dec 2019
11:54am, 20 Dec 2019
9,836 posts
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larkim
On it's own, I'm still in favour of an entitlement to broadband for all. It's now so embedded as a method for accessing essential services that ensuring no-one is disadvantaged by not having it is actually quite important. I've had a number of occasions recently dealing with elderly or otherwise impaired family members or adults where they simply wouldn't have been able to access necessary services if they weren't "on the internet".
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Dec 2019
12:15pm, 20 Dec 2019
146 posts
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Stander Claus
Except for the outer reaches of nowhere, everyone has broadband access. And if you choose to live in a remote community, you have to accept a different level of access to some things in life.
I choose to live in a village because I prefer not to be in a big built up city. This means (for example) I can't go out on the town until 4 in the morning and have limited access to fast food deliveries, but that is my choice.
Broadband quality and speeds do vary, dependant on location but it isn't something that needs to be nationalised. Market forces will determine where the broadband suppliers will increase availability and speed, i.e., if there is no demand for it (they can't make a profit), then they won't provide it. Why should I pay for someone in arse end of nowhere to get broadband? They don't pay to solve my fast food issues. And I wouldn't want or expect them to.
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Dec 2019
12:21pm, 20 Dec 2019
19,028 posts
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DeeGee
How lucky you are to have had the choioce to live in a rural community, and to have had the choice to take the disadvantages that entails.
Where people live isn't always a matter of choice. Especially in those areas where locals have been priced out of the market by "incomers" with jobs in the city and cars to get them there. Again, some people are just disadvantaged from the moment they emerge into this world.
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Dec 2019
12:22pm, 20 Dec 2019
773 posts
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Ally-C
Fast food issues? You a greedy, fat bastard as well as a Tory Stander?😀
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Dec 2019
12:24pm, 20 Dec 2019
19,029 posts
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DeeGee
(I'm putting that point forward as someone who relocated from a flat in Sevenoaks and a job in EC4 to a 4 bedroom detached house in a depressed East Midlands coastal community, by the way.)
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Dec 2019
12:26pm, 20 Dec 2019
2,412 posts
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Fellrunning
If you want a smaller state you have to have a bigger heart. Simply saying "Work hard" isn't enough. People are complex and fragile.
I've been employing disadvantaged workers for years. People who other employers wouldn't give a chance. Don't get me wrong I've had my share of failures but I've never given up on the idea that of you treat people like human beings then mostly they respond. Again don't misunderstand, I have my rules and my expectations, no one gets a free ride. What I don't do is judge them. An ex drug addict is just that - ex. The past is irrelevant. I work with what I see.
That likely sounds like touchy feely pinko lefty bullshit to the usual suspects on here.
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