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Dec 2019
11:07am, 20 Dec 2019
772 posts
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Ally-C
The old Tory mantra of work hard and rise out of poverty, pretty sure there are more working folk on benefits than ever.
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Dec 2019
11:08am, 20 Dec 2019
11,720 posts
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Cerrertonia
Again, we don't have the figures for 2019 yet, but at the 2017 election, the majority of people who had jobs voted Labour. The majority of people that pay income tax voted Labour. The majority of people who did not have jobs voted Conservative. The majority of non-income tax payers old enough to vote voted Conservative. That divide was even more pronounced in the EU referendum. The world has moved on since the 1970s.
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Dec 2019
11:11am, 20 Dec 2019
11,721 posts
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Cerrertonia
(When I say majority - I mean of those who voted.)
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Dec 2019
11:14am, 20 Dec 2019
9,834 posts
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larkim
That's a bit of a distortion though Ceretonia - as a fair sized chunk of the Tory voters without jobs are pensioners who used to have jobs I presume.
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Dec 2019
11:16am, 20 Dec 2019
2,518 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
Larkim, great cartoon.
Although someone who voted labour, I am an SME business owner and it really grates me how they think that businesses should fund so many new initiatives both directly and indirectly. It's as though making a profit and employing 30 to 40 people deserves some sort of punishment. We made about 10% profit last year and we don't have much room to manoeuvre. They also make it harder to employ people, more costly to employ people, difficult to dismiss staff whatever they are doing short of murder.
So although the Tories won against my wider wishes for this country, I will at least be more likely to employ more staff and retain a profit level that allows a reasonable existence for both them and myself. That's does help. Those staff however will not have had the education they may have wanted, not the same financial situation and therefore not the same choice of employment and are more likely to have challenges at home and less likely to even own those homes and therefore at the mercy of landlords who may need to move them on to sell properties etc
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Dec 2019
11:16am, 20 Dec 2019
25,049 posts
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Wriggling Snake
The idea that the NHS is a socialist proposition, one that I agree with. Everyone puts something in, some a lot more than others, everyone gets to access the NHS for 'free'. My partner, who is a senior consultant, said last night, after I put to her that it is a socialist idea, said no, no it isn't, it is just the right thing to do, as is the right to have a decent education, health and education should be available to all regardless of their background.
I answered but that is an aspect of socialism, again she said no, the NHS is just a means for everybody to pay something that they can afford towards everybody's health.
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Dec 2019
11:20am, 20 Dec 2019
8,323 posts
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simbil
It’s almost like she is saying ‘From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.’ 
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Dec 2019
11:22am, 20 Dec 2019
25,050 posts
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Wriggling Snake
I just found it interesting, I think she sees the NHS as a moral obligation that you should take part in rather than something political/financial, which is perhaps true.
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Dec 2019
11:23am, 20 Dec 2019
11,723 posts
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Cerrertonia
Correct. And of course, many pensioners do have a large enough income to pay income tax.
Nevertheless, the suggestion that the Labour vote is dependent on people who get state handouts is the opposite to reality. The public sector is now down to 16% of total jobs, so the idea that Labour gets it support mainly from those who work in education, health, local councils, police etc. is also false.
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Dec 2019
11:23am, 20 Dec 2019
2,519 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
in my home town they like to think GWR, who had already implemented a medical contributions scheme for its many railway workers, gave impetus to Anuerin Bevan and his NHS idea
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