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Dec 2019
12:23am, 13 Dec 2019
6,149 posts
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Dooogs
Cynically, they certainly need to get someone who can do retail politics, Nellers. I've been wondering who the left wing/ liberal BJ might be for a decade of more now...
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Dec 2019
12:23am, 13 Dec 2019
31,747 posts
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LindsD
100% agree Nellers. My boy, who is bright and politically engaged, just started to tell me that Labour need better leaders than Corbyn and the guy who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich.
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Dec 2019
12:24am, 13 Dec 2019
6,150 posts
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Dooogs
(((Linds))) I wasn't necessarily disagreeing...
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Dec 2019
12:25am, 13 Dec 2019
830 posts
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Roberto
Even now, the wrong Miliband won that leadership campaign.
And moving forward, labour need a more central leader that isnt a career MP.
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Dec 2019
12:27am, 13 Dec 2019
2,493 posts
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OTannenbaumMike
I too would like to express my distress. The only good thing is the change of leadership which must result. A leader who was a predictable disaster from day one. Talk about handing the media an oven-ready target with more baggage than a 747 and less coherent than a drunken Yoda with a tongue tie.
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Dec 2019
12:27am, 13 Dec 2019
6,982 posts
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Too Much Water
A Blair-like candidate could win over the Sun / Times, I guess. Think of Blair as the promise of 1997, not the Iraq era Blair.
On my Uni mates whatsApp group - middle england middle class around 40 yrs old 6/8 of us almost certainly voted Tory. But 8/8 would vote for an optimistic Blair style candidate with a non-crazy or threatening economic agenda and a socially progressive agenda.
It may be unwelcome news but I don’t think the british public overall want a Corbyn style agenda, local variations aside
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Dec 2019
12:28am, 13 Dec 2019
35,480 posts
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Nellers
But the big issue in the UK, for me anyway, is all sorts of inequality (economic, gender, racial, class, educational etc) and the way to sort that out has to be by some level of wealth distribution. If you aren't going to tax the corporations and the wealthy then you're in a bind with any way of levelling the playing field.
And anyone who suggests tax hikes for the rich is going to paint a big target on them for the media barons and they'll get the same treatment.
The only way to get the broad media support that's needed is to move right and sell the poor and the discriminated against and the minorities down the river.
I fucking despair.
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Dec 2019
12:29am, 13 Dec 2019
11,662 posts
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Cerrertonia
Nellers, Corbyn & McDonnell have offered up a lot more hostages to fortune/ scope for smear campaigns than say Ed Miliband did, or indeed Ed Balls or plenty of other people who were senior in the party until recently.
I think there's a lot of voters who care about having a potential PM who is (or who can be portrayed as) friends with Hamas & Hezbollah, appears on Iranian tv, thought the death of bin Laden a tragedy, refused to condemn IRA bombings and with a potential home Secretary who wanted 'a defeat of the British State'.
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Dec 2019
12:29am, 13 Dec 2019
6,151 posts
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Dooogs
I still don't think David would have done any better than Ed. He had all the potential downsides of Ed, plus the Blair era baggage.
The real failing of the 2010-15 period was the utter failure of any succession planning...
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Dec 2019
12:29am, 13 Dec 2019
1,343 posts
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SFL
"huge amounts of the Tory campaigning has been based on lies" - a bit like John Mc'donnells claim that the average family would be £6000 better off. Or Corbyn's claim today that everyone on minimum wage would earn between £3000 & £5000 more immediately?
Complete lies on both sides of the debate.
Personally I'm over the moon that communism has been rejected.
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