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Nov 2019
7:16am, 25 Nov 2019
5,837 posts
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jda
Obviously I think a hung parliament is far preferable to what you describe.
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Nov 2019
7:40am, 25 Nov 2019
2,386 posts
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Fellrunning
If my house burns down I won't be doing a little jig of delight thinking about the nice new shiny house I'll be able to build in it's place one day (always assuming the insurance pays up).
I'll be thinking about the unending days, weeks, months, possibly years of living in shitty temporary accommodation, dealing with all the fallout, getting the site cleared, getting planning etc,etc.
If there's a silver lining to Bojo getting a majority then its a very big black cloud hiding it....
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Nov 2019
7:53am, 25 Nov 2019
1,636 posts
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JRitchie
The silver lining to a majority win is the ability to make decisions and implement policy. If that policy is bad then yes, it’s not really a silver lining. As labour and the tories have both demonstrated a complete inability to move forward and compromise, work with other parties collaboratively to make progress then in some respects I fear another few (for it will not be 5) years of minority government (Tory or labour) more than a Tory majority.
BJ is a populist. He holds no viewed other than what he thinks is the public mood (remember he was pro EU until it suited him not to be). I don’t worry about a lurch further to the right because BJ won’t take that cue unless the country does. Also the far right of the ERG etc came into influence because in minority government their view and their refinance carried influence. With a strong majority this influence disappears (think Of how the fat left had no oxygen when Tony Blair had his big majorities).
Please don’t take this thought as a personal desire to see a Tory government. It’s just an observation to throw into the mix.
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Nov 2019
7:55am, 25 Nov 2019
1,637 posts
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JRitchie
Some really bad typos in my last post, sorry.
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Nov 2019
8:11am, 25 Nov 2019
29,685 posts
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SPR
ERG have influence because of Brexit and the party has been purged FFS. Also Boris is one of them, absolutely no comparison to Blair.
Might as well say if Boris had a majority already, he could have just got Brexit done.
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Nov 2019
8:12am, 25 Nov 2019
5,838 posts
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jda
But what you may be missing is that in merging with ukip/bxp and purging all the Tory moderates they already have lurched massively to the right.
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Nov 2019
9:03am, 25 Nov 2019
27,155 posts
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macca 53
So I see that power companies have started relocating their shares “to protect shareholders against a re-nationalisation loss of earnings”
Who’s gaming whom? If the Cons are 20% ahead re-nationalisation isn’t going to happen.....
How big is the gap really?
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Nov 2019
9:15am, 25 Nov 2019
24,738 posts
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Wriggling Snake
Hedging, no more no less
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Nov 2019
9:39am, 25 Nov 2019
33,344 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
There's still time for a turn around. Voter intentions are more volatile than ever before in electoral history. Social media (and mainstream) can turn the tide in 24 hours. But I don't see what possible cause there could be - I don't see a massive improvement coming from Labour or Lib Dems, so it could only be some horrific gaffe from Tories that could change the direction.
But voters seem to be happy with lies, ineptitude, and an elitist, divisive, misogynist, borderline-racist party and its leadership so far. I don't see what they could say and do that they haven't already, that would lose them any support. I just don't get the British people. Are they really that thick?
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Nov 2019
9:48am, 25 Nov 2019
22,924 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I think the next election might prove, amongst other things, that the Tories can visit 9 years of austerity on the country, starve public services, cut police, fire services and defence, freeze benefits and public sector wages, run down the NHS, make the lives of vulnerable people absolute nightmares... and stuff their own ranks with chancers, liars and charlatans... and still get elected by a large margin.
One of the reasons why that is all unfolding is Brexit but one of the other main factors is a weak and unappealing opposition making the Tories look like the better of two options - to some people.
Blair understood that the answer to right wing Toryism was not socialist policies, but was to prove that Labour was simply a more competent government-in-waiting that wasn't going to wreck the country with an ideologically-driven set of socialist policies.
That approach is still the best way back for Labour in my opinion, accompanied by the general collapse of the Tories as Brexit unfolds and their corruption, cruelty and incompetence becomes too much for people to bear any longer.
I don't buy that Johnson is suddenly going to morph into a One Nation tory next year, when he has had no compunction in stuffing his cabinet with hard Brexiteers, lied to the Queen and threw out 21 moderate Tories for voting against him. I think austerity will continue in some form. The vulnerable and the poor will get no quarter from this bunch. Not a chance.
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Fantasy General Election
Jul 2024
