Oct 2019
3:06pm, 7 Oct 2019
5,406 posts
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jda
10 days is ample time for the legal machinery to swing into action. Plausible Bonson move is to resign mid-Oct and then as non-PM it's no longer his job and his promise probably can't be binding on a successor, can it? Amusing commentary on the Guardian about election dates. Suggests that dissolution in Jan with a vote mid-Feb is most likely  (Extension being requested is 3 months, expiring end Jan) |
Oct 2019
3:07pm, 7 Oct 2019
103 posts
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Neal
Happy, I seem to remember that Churchill wanted Britain in his United States of Europe (and he included the Empire in his definition of Britain). A quick Google and I find: "In November 1949, at a speech given for the European Movement at Kingsway Hall, London, Churchill said: ‘The British Government have rightly stated that they cannot commit this country to entering any European Union without the agreement of the other members of the British Commonwealth. We all agree with that statement. But no time must be lost in discussing the question with the Dominions and seeking to convince them that their interests as well as ours lie in a United Europe.’ Churchill added, `The French Foreign Minister, M. Schuman, declared in the French Parliament this week that, ‘Without Britain there can be no Europe.’ This is entirely true. But our friends on the Continent need have no misgivings. Britain is an integral part of Europe, and we mean to play our part in the revival of her prosperity and greatness.’ The following year, in 1950, Churchill called for the creation of a European Army ‘..under a unified command, and in which we should all bear a worthy and honourable part.’ (France objected to this plan)." From eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu |
Oct 2019
3:12pm, 7 Oct 2019
8,197 posts
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simbil
War tends to focus the mind on what really needs to happen to make a more peaceful world. How quickly we forget. Jda, the other theory is that BoJo is happy for the extension so long as he is seen as being compelled to ask for it rather than doing so willingly. It still gives him plausible credentials with leavers and so lessens the split with the Brexit Party. |
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Oct 2019
3:17pm, 7 Oct 2019
5,407 posts
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jda
While that is certainly true to some extent simbil it doesn't mesh well with his continuing insistence that we actually are leaving on the 31st. I also read somewhere recently that many brexit party voters are so ill-informed that they don't even realise that he is being forced by parliament to ask for an extension, so if he does so they will simply think he is going back on his word. It's easy votes for Farage if he wants. "Boris lied/failed".
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Oct 2019
3:19pm, 7 Oct 2019
3,565 posts
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run free
J2R the USA's environmental standards is sub-standard in many household items: theguardian.com In the case of food, this is what fox news (republican news) ... of course a good bit of insect is okay but not too sure about mould in my can of tomatoes or poop in cocoa beans (no wonder the chocolate in the US doesn't taste quite right) foxnews.com Should be known that there have been widespread cases of food poisoning in the USA from foods such as spinach and lettuce where people have died. Stats at the CDC have estimated that 48 million get sick from food related illnesses each year: cdc.gov It is unsurprising that living in the USA means you have a greater chance of getting cancer than living in the UK! wcrf.org And BJ has already indicated that he will be reducing our environmental standards as indicated some posts ago .... oh sorry he will be "relaxing the EU environmental standards imposed on the UK" |
Oct 2019
3:22pm, 7 Oct 2019
2,316 posts
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J2R
I think Cummings and he are probably hoping that by making the Tories the real swivel-eyed loonie Brexiter party, they'll already have grabbed a whole load of Brexit Party voters who they can take with them if they change their policies at all. After all, these people probably aren't that bright and wouldn't necessarily notice.
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Oct 2019
3:26pm, 7 Oct 2019
104 posts
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Neal
See, yet another positive for Brexit. Getting rid of evil EU environmental standards means we can reintroduce traditional British seaside activities that the foreigners banned years ago! Let's go back to swimming with turds as we pour raw sewage into the sea! |
Oct 2019
3:34pm, 7 Oct 2019
18,885 posts
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DeeGee
What interests me is that the standards for eggs are actually completely different in the USA and the EU. In the USA, eggs *must* be scrubbed clean to remove the outer layer of dirt and therefore the outermost layer of shell is removed and the eggs must be stored in a fridge. In the EU, eggs must *not* be cleaned to remove the outer layer of dirt. Whether or not any method of production is healthier or not, I don't know. The USA method removes potential bacteria from the outside of the egg, but the EU one makes it less likely for bacteria to enter the egg. Also, what I don't know is how many other completely incompatible food standards exist, and which ones we should adopt to protect our own market. If we choose US standards, for some foods, then we can't necessarily make the standards "stricter" to also export to the EU. |
Oct 2019
4:04pm, 7 Oct 2019
8,966 posts
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larkim
To be fair, even within the EU we've not been immune from poisons / bugs etc being in the prepared foodchain - e.g frozen sweetcorn dailymail.co.uk Or fancy a bit of horse in your Findus crispy pancake anyone? |
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Oct 2019
4:09pm, 7 Oct 2019
8,198 posts
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simbil
Being allowed in by lower standards or getting in when supply chains do not adhere to the standards?
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