Aug 2020
7:02pm, 10 Aug 2020
51,783 posts
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GlennR
Run to heart rate, not pace.
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Aug 2020
7:57pm, 10 Aug 2020
2,887 posts
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J2R
I'm with GlennR there. What you're trying to is put the same level of stress on the body (so it can adapt). In hotter weather that occurs at a lower heart rate.
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Aug 2020
7:59pm, 10 Aug 2020
71,041 posts
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Gobi
easy is easy , you slow down
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Aug 2020
8:03pm, 10 Aug 2020
30,816 posts
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SPR
I run to feel and I can't imagine zone 4 felt easy?!
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Aug 2020
8:03pm, 10 Aug 2020
12,622 posts
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Badger
Absolutely agree. Almost more important; in hot weather, the rate of HR increase correlates very tightly with core temperature, and you don’t want that running away. (I can dig out references on that if you want chapter and verse)
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Aug 2020
11:00pm, 10 Aug 2020
3,991 posts
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Kieren
Unanimous then, thanks everyone.
That first slow run was not easy despite being normal zone 2 pace. I just thought that the lower pace might mean less muscular fatigue stress even if stress on the heart is elevated. I suppose that's not how it works.
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Aug 2020
11:23pm, 10 Aug 2020
3,992 posts
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Kieren
FWIW, 1st zone4 HR normal zone 2 pace was July 31st at about 9-10 minute miles at 35°C
August 7th was again 35°C but at same pace heart rate was low zone 3.
I think that's not really adaption on the run, more just adapting to bring hot indoors. The 1st instance was a huge temperature jump on the previous day's. The start of August has been hot every day. Over 32 outside and about 28 indoors.
I'll have try and wake early to beat the heat.
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Aug 2020
9:29am, 11 Aug 2020
2,889 posts
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J2R
Kieren, that is a very valid point you make about the effect of heat stress on the heart, and one I've wondered about myself. While I still believe the right thing to do is to stick to the same heart rate even though you are running slower at that heart rate because of the heat, the effect on your body won't be quite the same. The heat skews the stresses on the system, meaning it relatively takes more out of your heart than your muscles.
Let's say I normally keep my heart rate around 130 on an easy run. On a cool day this might mean running 7:40 pace, say. To push my HR up to 140, I'd have to run maybe 30 seconds per mile faster, and that involves a fair amount of extra work for the muscles. But on a hot day like we've been having, running 7:40 pace already pushes my HR up by 10 bpm. So my heart is working harder but my legs are doing pretty much the same work as usual.
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Aug 2020
10:17am, 11 Aug 2020
71,048 posts
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Gobi
Pace is irrelevant if tracking effort by HR
Your perception of legs doing the same effort is incorrect due to extra blood flow and oxygen being used for the pace.
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Aug 2020
10:18am, 11 Aug 2020
1,831 posts
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Oscar the Grouch
Thanks Gobi - that's the question I wanted the answer to
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