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Polarized training

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Aug 2020
7:02pm, 10 Aug 2020
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GlennR
Run to heart rate, not pace.
J2R
Aug 2020
7:57pm, 10 Aug 2020
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J2R
I'm with GlennR there. What you're trying to is put the same level of stress on the body (so it can adapt). In hotter weather that occurs at a lower heart rate.
Aug 2020
7:59pm, 10 Aug 2020
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Gobi
easy is easy , you slow down
SPR
Aug 2020
8:03pm, 10 Aug 2020
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SPR
I run to feel and I can't imagine zone 4 felt easy?!
Aug 2020
8:03pm, 10 Aug 2020
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Badger
Absolutely agree. Almost more important; in hot weather, the rate of HR increase correlates very tightly with core temperature, and you don’t want that running away. (I can dig out references on that if you want chapter and verse)
Aug 2020
11:00pm, 10 Aug 2020
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Kieren
Unanimous then, thanks everyone. :-)

That first slow run was not easy despite being normal zone 2 pace. I just thought that the lower pace might mean less muscular fatigue stress even if stress on the heart is elevated. I suppose that's not how it works.
Aug 2020
11:23pm, 10 Aug 2020
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Kieren
FWIW, 1st zone4 HR normal zone 2 pace was July 31st at about 9-10 minute miles at 35°C

August 7th was again 35°C but at same pace heart rate was low zone 3.

I think that's not really adaption on the run, more just adapting to bring hot indoors. The 1st instance was a huge temperature jump on the previous day's. The start of August has been hot every day. Over 32 outside and about 28 indoors.

I'll have try and wake early to beat the heat.
J2R
Aug 2020
9:29am, 11 Aug 2020
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J2R
Kieren, that is a very valid point you make about the effect of heat stress on the heart, and one I've wondered about myself. While I still believe the right thing to do is to stick to the same heart rate even though you are running slower at that heart rate because of the heat, the effect on your body won't be quite the same. The heat skews the stresses on the system, meaning it relatively takes more out of your heart than your muscles.

Let's say I normally keep my heart rate around 130 on an easy run. On a cool day this might mean running 7:40 pace, say. To push my HR up to 140, I'd have to run maybe 30 seconds per mile faster, and that involves a fair amount of extra work for the muscles. But on a hot day like we've been having, running 7:40 pace already pushes my HR up by 10 bpm. So my heart is working harder but my legs are doing pretty much the same work as usual.
Aug 2020
10:17am, 11 Aug 2020
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Gobi
Pace is irrelevant if tracking effort by HR

Your perception of legs doing the same effort is incorrect due to extra blood flow and oxygen being used for the pace.
Aug 2020
10:18am, 11 Aug 2020
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Oscar the Grouch
Thanks Gobi - that's the question I wanted the answer to

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com
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