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HappyG(rrr) Sep 2008 12:14pm, 8 Sep 2008 822 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) But srsly (ish) presumably big floppy shorts are a no-no in tri training or in a swimming club, training type environment? The club had us down for 2,400 m in an hour, which is more than i've ever done before. And that was in the slooowww lane! I was told that baggy shorts are only for olympic athletes trying to give themselves some extra drag - akin to running dragging a tyre or wearing a weighted pack!
GregP Sep 2008 3:23pm, 8 Sep 2008 6,726 posts	0 GregP Srsly, big floppy shorts are like swimming with a parachute attached to your bum - jump in feet first and you'll see - or try tumble-turning. Doesn't work. And TI = Total Immersion. I'm in a minority, but I'm not a fan.
GordonG Sep 2008 3:24pm, 8 Sep 2008 3,135 posts	0 GordonG what is it you don't like about TI Greg?
Barky Sep 2008 3:31pm, 8 Sep 2008 4,964 posts	0 Barky It is nothing new. The idea to be at one with the water is something that I was teaching to kids 20 years ago. If one is taught correctly the stoke (yes, entry, pull push etc) one will feel a the benefit of an effective and technically correct stroke. I am at one with the water when I swim - and I have not been taught TI. Just been taught who to swim correctly, coached by some pretty good coaches, and have swam more miles in my years than I have run! Swimming with grace - in an ideal world! Only TI gives you the mater the art of swimming! FFS - just watch most of the Oz swimmers - they swim with grace and high degree of effectiveness! It is nothing new - just packaging for getting people into their little band wagon!
GordonG Sep 2008 3:37pm, 8 Sep 2008 3,137 posts	0 GordonG fair enough Barky. i've never learnt TI so can't comment from first hand experience. But i watch my kids being taught to swim and nothing seems to have changed since i was a kid. it's all "maximum effort, fight your way through the water" where everyone comes out knackered at the end. surely anything that enables people to swim more efficiently is a good thing? two people at my work took TI lessons. One, in particular, was a very average swimmer and since learning via TI can now (literally) swim 5 miles with comparatively minimal effort.
Barky Sep 2008 3:51pm, 8 Sep 2008 4,965 posts	0 Barky If they are being taught to fight the way through the water, then I would question the teacher and the attitude - but I will not say anymore - as I would need to see the the swimming at first hand. I have had issues with teaching methods for my own daughter and have had to change teachers a number of times. I would teacher myself, but according to her - I am dad! Anything that teachs people to be better swimmers is a good thing, and that is not what I have against the idea. what I do not like is the marketing that makes it the best thing since sliced bread (in terms of swim teaching). In addition, there is a major difference between teaching and coaching. Teaching is in very simple terms, being able to get someone to move from A to B in the water. Coaching is being to make that person perofrm that in a more effective manner - be it speed, technique, stamina. Thus coaching WILL include some teaching. I am not going against your friend and to be able to swim 5miles (which is about 8k) is very admirable, but I would say that is more coaching and a lot of determination of your friends part - and not teaching.
GordonG Sep 2008 3:53pm, 8 Sep 2008 3,138 posts	0 GordonG ......... and TI is enormously expensive to learn!
GregP Sep 2008 4:22pm, 8 Sep 2008 6,730 posts	0 GregP My objection to TI seems to be loosley similar to Barky's - I'm not comfortable with Pose running and the like for similar reasons. But efficiency and ease is all - and fighting the water isn't the way. IMO swimming is remarkably like golf. You don't necessarily get better just by hitting more balls on the range, and hitting the ball 'harder' doesn't necessarily make it go further.
Barky Sep 2008 5:16pm, 8 Sep 2008 4,966 posts	0 Barky I have seen POSE swimming video on You tube - and I had no idea what it was on about or what it was trying to do! Greg what you say is very true - there is a certain fdeel about swimming - thats why I say that Ti is nothing new.
stu8 Sep 2008 6:34pm, 8 Sep 2008 476 posts	0 stu8 somewhat brick like today not cutting through the water at all bah ah well was abit busy lets see what tommorow brings