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Sep 2008
12:14pm, 8 Sep 2008
822 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
But srsly (ish) presumably big floppy shorts are a no-no in tri training or in a swimming club, training type environment? The club had us down for 2,400 m in an hour, which is more than i've ever done before. And that was in the slooowww lane! I was told that baggy shorts are only for olympic athletes trying to give themselves some extra drag - akin to running dragging a tyre or wearing a weighted pack!
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Sep 2008
3:23pm, 8 Sep 2008
6,726 posts
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GregP
Srsly, big floppy shorts are like swimming with a parachute attached to your bum - jump in feet first and you'll see - or try tumble-turning. Doesn't work.
And TI = Total Immersion. I'm in a minority, but I'm *not* a fan.
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Sep 2008
3:24pm, 8 Sep 2008
3,135 posts
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GordonG
what is it you don't like about TI Greg?
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Sep 2008
3:31pm, 8 Sep 2008
4,964 posts
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Barky
It is nothing new. The idea to be at one with the water is something that I was teaching to kids 20 years ago. If one is taught correctly the stoke (yes, entry, pull push etc) one will feel a the benefit of an effective and technically correct stroke. I am at one with the water when I swim - and I have not been taught TI. Just been taught who to swim correctly, coached by some pretty good coaches, and have swam more miles in my years than I have run!
Swimming with grace - in an ideal world!
Only TI gives you the mater the art of swimming! FFS - just watch most of the Oz swimmers - they swim with grace and high degree of effectiveness!
It is nothing new - just packaging for getting people into their little band wagon!
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Sep 2008
3:37pm, 8 Sep 2008
3,137 posts
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GordonG
fair enough Barky. i've never learnt TI so can't comment from first hand experience.
But i watch my kids being taught to swim and nothing seems to have changed since i was a kid. it's all "maximum effort, fight your way through the water" where everyone comes out knackered at the end.
surely anything that enables people to swim more efficiently is a good thing? two people at my work took TI lessons. One, in particular, was a very average swimmer and since learning via TI can now (literally) swim 5 miles with comparatively minimal effort.
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Sep 2008
3:51pm, 8 Sep 2008
4,965 posts
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Barky
If they are being taught to fight the way through the water, then I would question the teacher and the attitude - but I will not say anymore - as I would need to see the the swimming at first hand. I have had issues with teaching methods for my own daughter and have had to change teachers a number of times. I would teacher myself, but according to her - I am dad!
Anything that teachs people to be better swimmers is a good thing, and that is not what I have against the idea. what I do not like is the marketing that makes it the best thing since sliced bread (in terms of swim teaching).
In addition, there is a major difference between teaching and coaching. Teaching is in very simple terms, being able to get someone to move from A to B in the water. Coaching is being to make that person perofrm that in a more effective manner - be it speed, technique, stamina. Thus coaching WILL include some teaching. I am not going against your friend and to be able to swim 5miles (which is about 8k) is very admirable, but I would say that is more coaching and a lot of determination of your friends part - and not teaching.
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Sep 2008
3:53pm, 8 Sep 2008
3,138 posts
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GordonG
......... and TI is enormously expensive to learn!
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Sep 2008
4:22pm, 8 Sep 2008
6,730 posts
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GregP
My objection to TI seems to be loosley similar to Barky's - I'm not comfortable with Pose running and the like for similar reasons. But efficiency and ease is all - and fighting the water isn't the way.
IMO swimming is *remarkably* like golf. You don't necessarily get better just by hitting more balls on the range, and hitting the ball 'harder' doesn't necessarily make it go further.
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Sep 2008
5:16pm, 8 Sep 2008
4,966 posts
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Barky
I have seen POSE swimming video on You tube - and I had no idea what it was on about or what it was trying to do!
Greg what you say is very true - there is a certain fdeel about swimming - thats why I say that Ti is nothing new.
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Sep 2008
6:34pm, 8 Sep 2008
476 posts
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stu8
somewhat brick like today not cutting through the water at all bah ah well was abit busy lets see what tommorow brings
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