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Fenland Flier
Fenland Flier
Apr 2022
1:37pm, 6 Apr 2022
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Fenland Flier
I'd send Fetch a message larkim, I'm sure he can amend it to make it clearer.
larkim
larkim
Apr 2022
1:42pm, 6 Apr 2022
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larkim
Done just that!
Fenland Flier
Fenland Flier
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1:53pm, 6 Apr 2022
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Fenland Flier
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StuH
StuH
Apr 2022
5:13pm, 6 Apr 2022
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StuH
It seems we had this conversation a couple of years ago. My suggestion back then was it represents av. pace by HR band which I think was probably more likely (although not unrelated to beats per mile)
fetcheveryone.com/forum/heart-rate-3882/1998
larkim
larkim
Apr 2022
9:59am, 20 Apr 2022
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larkim
I've just been dipping back into "Faster Road Racing" and it follows the same principles as P&D in terms of heart rate zones, which seem pretty different to what is often the more baseline position in this thread, so I wondered if anyone knew why?

Zones 1-5 as 50-60%, 60-70% I'm sure have some individual flex (e.g. someone might be 48-61.5%, 61.5%-69.7% etc etc) but are pretty easy to describe etc.

P&D / P&L show the following:-
VO2Max - 92-97%
LT - 75-88%
Endurance - 65-78%
General aerobic - 62-75%
Recovery - <70%

It's the "Endurance" and "General aerobic" which seem to be pretty out of step.

I've previously worked off the basis that P&D is primarily a pace-based plan, but "Faster Road Racing" seems to put HRR more to the fore.

I'm just interested in theory here - I've had decent success with P&D's pace based stuff and tried to pay attention to the Karvonen zones alongside that.
Chrisull
Chrisull
May 2022
9:42am, 16 May 2022
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Chrisull
A friend has forwarded me this (as he knows I had some cardiac issues a while back that turned out to be anaemia related). I believe this is from a strap not a wrist, from a half marathon done at the weekend (a very hilly one).

It's obviously anomalous, but is would you say it's watch/HR issues or something medical related (a-fib??) I've recommended he tries a different watch/strap to see if it still shows up.

Chrisull
Chrisull
May 2022
9:46am, 16 May 2022
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Chrisull
And yes I believe he didn't feel great during the race (but to be honest that race has most people on their knees, I've done it many times, and it feels like you're going to vomit your heart and lungs out by mile 8 because of the continuous climbing).
Big_G
Big_G
May 2022
9:57am, 16 May 2022
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Personally I wouldn’t automatically worry about that zone data without knowing more info. What is his max, and does his Garmin know what his max is? Has he used Garmin’s own/default settings to work out the zones, and if so, has it estimated his max to work them out? I did a marathon at 172 average (chest strap), and I am not concerned as I know my max and (an interpretation of) my LT, but using his set up my data would also look like that picture.

It may just be that his actual Max is quite a lot higher than what his Garmin thinks, but that is just my initial thought from looking at that. I could be totally wrong, and I am not a doctor, and if he is concerned he should of course get himself checked out.
Dvorak
Dvorak
May 2022
10:01am, 16 May 2022
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Well, he's still alive. Which suggests to me technical rather than medical issues. However, IANAD, and if he's concerned, he should contact one. It would be interesting to see the actual HR graph. I suspect it will look quite flat.
Shades
Shades
May 2022
11:22am, 16 May 2022
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Shades
My MHR is 160. Even using a Garmin chest strap there are a few occasions when I get a random reading of 180-190 or even 200+. It's either the strap is too loose so not having correct contact but usually it's due to electrical storms. Common this time of year for electrical storms.

When I first started using HRM for training they were less sophisticated and all sorts of interference would cause high readings, such as railway lines, burglar alarms, even engines from a passing HGV. And if I drove my car wearing the HRM my HR could jump to 250bpm.

About This Thread

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Everything you need to know about training with a heart rate monitor. Remember the motto "I can maintain a fast pace over the race distance because I am an Endurance God". Mind the trap door....

Gobi lurks here, but for his advice you must first speak his name. Ask and you shall receive.

A quote:

"The area between the top of the aerobic threshold and anaerobic threshold is somewhat of a no mans land of fitness. It is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic states. For the amount of effort the athlete puts forth, not a whole lot of fitness is produced. It does not train the aerobic or anaerobic energy system to a high degree. This area does have its place in training; it is just not in base season. Unfortunately this area is where I find a lot of athletes spending the majority of their seasons, which retards aerobic development. The athletes heart rate shoots up to this zone with little power or speed being produced when it gets there." Matt Russ, US International Coach

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