Electric car anyone?
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Apr 2024
9:51am, 13 Apr 2024
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Dvorak
One thing that puzzles me is the lack of support/enthusiasm for plug-in hybrids. Since the aim is the reduction of emissions, and there is a recognition that this is not immediately obtainable, something that could reduce emissions in use by say 70-90% seems to me a sensible transitional step. I know that there are arguments that they might be the worst of both worlds, but given a half-decent battery range (something admittedly lacking in many*) they could cover the usage needs of, I reckon, the majority of motorists. *A typicalish 40 miles would almost cover me for a couple of trips to work and back, but really, 50-70 miles is needed, I reckon. |
Apr 2024
10:20am, 13 Apr 2024
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jda
To be honest 50-70 mile range for an EV would probably serve a large proportion of users. Especially the second car for commuting/shopping/school etc. Dealer said my previous owner went to a hybrid but they hardly used it so I don’t really understand that. |
Apr 2024
10:53am, 13 Apr 2024
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Big_G
Happy G, you can’t see my point, fair enough. I was tying together a comment about China being a concern for some people, with actual quotes from politicians where China is being mentioned. Point being, you can discount China being an issue and try and discourage the conversation. But for many it’s a big issue, and politicians are using it as a polarising issue/talking point in the EV debate, so it’s obviously on the agenda. Also, you’ve discounted my comments with a LOL in the past, where I’ve quoted a very respected journalist, who put forward reasonable arguments against some current EV trends. But their arguments don’t align with yours, so you dismiss it with an LOL, or an grrrr, or something similar. And you’ve questioned in the recent days why a poster may be asking about numbers of available charging points. I suspect it’s not intentional, but you and larkim can come across as the gatekeepers of this thread, and what is and isn’t allowed to be discussed. Personally, I think that isn’t conducive to promoting an open discussion about the pros and cons of EV, and may be off putting to some. It honestly stops me posting more than I usually would here as I read a lot of things that I know you wouldn’t agree with and I usually can’t be bothered with an argument, but I am someone with a genuine interest in wanting to learn more. I am not anti-EV, but I have reservations at the moment that I need to work through, and I also have practical barriers at my current place. I’m not going to reply any more to this, but as you said you don’t understand my point I felt the need to expand. jda, my mate has just gone for a hybrid, with no hope of getting charging at home in the near future - terraced house, no off-road parking. It’s on a lease and I don’t know if he got some amazing deal on it, but I was a bit confused too. Don’t know exactly the model, but it’s a Nisan. For me, a 70-100 mile range would do me, if I could charge at home (which I cannot due to the nature of my house). That would probably last me a week, most weeks. I don’t need a heavy vehicle or battery, but I would want an efficient vehicle. |
Apr 2024
10:56am, 13 Apr 2024
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larkim
I appreciate the observation about coming across as a gatekeeper (read that as written, I mean it!). Will take note! I would tell myself I'm more pragmatic than evangelical about EVs, but if that's not how I come across it's useful to know!!
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Apr 2024
12:17pm, 13 Apr 2024
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ThorntonRunner
My EV is Chinese (MG5). Working conditions would be a concern for me, but I have to admit that at the time it wasn't something I tried to look into - I assumed thay with its profile in Europe, MG would be OK. My decision was based on wanting an affordable (for me) electric estate. Home charging costs me 7.5p/kWh. If I'd not been able to charge at home and was relying on rapid chargers at 80p/kWh that would have been a show stopper. |
Apr 2024
3:10pm, 13 Apr 2024
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HappyG(rrr)
I don't mean to appear that way. My apologies. I will try and be more careful in my posting in future. Please don't stop posting on my account. I'm not authorised to be the the gatekeeper of anything!  G
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Apr 2024
3:15pm, 13 Apr 2024
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jda
It's always tempting to rebut the sort of anti-EV stuff that the Telegraph likes to promote. Not everything about EVs is perfect, and some people face significant barriers to using one, but these barriers are coming down in various ways all over the place. EVs will continue to become increasingly widespread, there's no doubt about that.
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Apr 2024
3:31pm, 13 Apr 2024
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jda
This xitter thread seems pretty negative about PHEVs, I haven't looked in detail at it: twitter.com The author generally knows his stuff though. |
Apr 2024
4:35pm, 13 Apr 2024
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MudMeanderer
One thing that puzzles me is the lack of support/enthusiasm for plug-in hybrids. Since the aim is the reduction of emissions, and there is a recognition that this is not immediately obtainable, something that could reduce emissions in use by say 70-90% seems to me a sensible transitional step. I know that there are arguments that they might be the worst of both worlds, but given a half-decent battery range (something admittedly lacking in many*) they could cover the usage needs of, I reckon, the majority of motorists. *A typicalish 40 miles would almost cover me for a couple of trips to work and back, but really, 50-70 miles is needed, I reckon. Hybrid only makes sense if you're doing a lot of stop-start or speed changes. You need to be operating the ICE away from its peak efficiency sufficiently often to overcome the weight and conversion losses, otherwise you're just carrying redundant complexity. So it may work for things like buses, but not really for the load cycle of a private car, unless it's maybe in a dense urban area (which we should be pushing back against more broadly). They feel more like a marketing ploy against range anxiety than an attempt to meaningfully impact emissions. |
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Apr 2024
9:51am, 15 Apr 2024
49,818 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Can I ask a question about country of manufacture (because of the China concerns that people have raised - I do actually try and read and take on board questions and concerns that people have raised) Is there a difference between ICE and electric car manufacture being from China e.g. BMW, Volkswagen, Ford, actually many manufacturers have 100% or above 50% manufacturing in China? en.wikipedia.org For EVs, I think (hard to find definitively), manufactured in Europe are: Skoda, Peugeot, Renault, Vauxhall...? Anyone have any other info they could share pls? Thanks. G
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