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auburnette Nov 2023 11:04am, 17 Nov 2023 2,177 posts	0 auburnette I don't find it sad that she got banned for such blatant cheating tbh. I find it sad that such an accomplished athlete cheated in the first place and then spent a while doubling down. It displays a lack of integrity both in the initial act of cheating and then in how she responded to it. It's not easy to own up to cheating and accept punishment but it's really really important, without it there's always the suspicion that the only thing someone is sorry about is the fact they got caught. Coming up with excuses just compounds it.
SPR Nov 2023 11:24am, 17 Nov 2023 43,258 posts	0 SPR I agree auburnette
Nelly Nov 2023 11:50am, 17 Nov 2023 4,389 posts	0 Nelly I am surprised that this happened but believe it would be a lapse at worst. That she has received a ban is very sad, but probably the right outcome. HappyG(rrr) it is apparent that you know the athlete in question, and I am not disputing you have found her a "lovely person" in your interactions with her. But (genuine question) have you read the background of this disqualification and subsequent ban? When you know you got in a car and got a lift during a race, then crossing the finish line and accepting the trophy on the podium (thus denying the rightful 3rd place finisher the opportunity) is not a "lapse at worst". She then compound it by uploading the run on ~~strava~~ (showing a section at 1:40/mi, 94bpm and 0 cadence) complete with photo of 3rd place trophy! And, finally she did not own up until contacted by the Race Director a week after the event, and even then disputed some of the facts.
paulcook Nov 2023 11:54am, 17 Nov 2023 3,745 posts	0 paulcook And adding to the issues well-articulated in those two posts above, she's also supposed to be a coach. I suspect that has compounded matters in terms of a ban, and suspect she's perhaps lucky it is only 1 year.
Chrisull Nov 2023 12:07pm, 17 Nov 2023 20,868 posts	0 Chrisull So it isn't just the politics thread Zorba trolls... trolling runners on a running site though seems a bit odd. Just because I don't run the distance, I can't remember when I looked 100 metres runners and thought, bloody weirdos they need taking down a peg or two.... perhaps that's just me?
Chrisull Nov 2023 12:14pm, 17 Nov 2023 20,869 posts	0 Chrisull As for cheating to come in, 21st place, that's just plain odd. As someone who has managed to finish in top 20 positions occasionally and beat myself up about coming 18th with a below par time, I felt I could have achieved the top 15, it's not one I'll be looking back in my dotage going I remember well the day, when 17 other runners finished ahead of me, some by up to 10 minutes (it was a 20 miler)...
HappyG(rrr) Nov 2023 1:12pm, 17 Nov 2023 48,503 posts	0 HappyG(rrr) Absolutely Nelly, that's why I was "declaring an interest". She was def wrong here, and had ample opportunity, it appears, after the results to correct them formally with organisers and through any publicity postings, but she failed to do so. Almost inexplicable, except as wilful cheating, but I just can believe it of such a great athlete and Scotland and GB team member.
Bowman 🇸🇪 Nov 2023 1:50pm, 17 Nov 2023 3,172 posts	0 Bowman 🇸🇪 But can you really understand this kind of behaviour, if your not "wired the same" really. I've even seen stuff on this site that is definitely questionable, at the least. But why bother.
SPR Nov 2023 1:58pm, 17 Nov 2023 43,259 posts	0 SPR Presumably the 21st place isn't about the place but about the time they ran being something they can be 'proud' of...
Chrisull Nov 2023 3:34pm, 17 Nov 2023 20,874 posts	0 Chrisull I agree SPR that's almost certainly it, but even so - for instance I know where to cheat on our local marathon (that my club organises) to lop 3 miles off, and no-one would ever know. (It's a training route we very occasionally use) But instead I spent 5 years every time trying to get under the 3.30 by flogging my guts, by training and in the end by a bloody good race strategy that worked that day and has never worked since - lol. (Which was run the first 7 miles quite hard, run the next 8 quite easy, then do 5 miles at 7.15 pace, and then hang on for grim life over the hills that had killed me the previous 4 years). It worked, because I got the psychological high of running miles 15-20 at in 37.xx minutes and I was so chuffed I pushed on harder than any previous year for the last 6. Been a damn site easier to use the shortcut, than enduring the failures of the previous two years, one where I had a blood sugar crash. But if I'd have cheated on that, it wouldn't be a story worth telling. Half the races I'm most happy with, are about the stories that go with them, the places and times are quite frankly irrelevant. The times are only times to me. I could say I ran 3.30 for a half marathon and I'm sure most non-runners would still be going that's amazingly fast (not knocking those who do 3.30 for a half most - now with this 2 month old arthritis injury break, I'd be happy just to do 13 miles as a continuous run in some point in the future), so I guess that's why it seems so odd to me.