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80% WAVA

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hellen Feb 2024 11:51am, 4 Feb 2024 15,012 posts	Quote Pin hellen Hello, yesterday at PR I got an 80% WAVA, my first ever. 😄😄However, fetch is telling me it’s 79% 🥲🥲why the difference please. Sorry to jump on, I just spotted this thread and haven’t read back!
Velociraptor Feb 2024 11:57am, 4 Feb 2024 67,640 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor Well done, hellen I almost commented on your FB post about that. Fetch uses a more up to date WAVA table than parkrun and it's not as generous. I had a similar thing happen yesterday, over 70% on the parkrun results board but 69.XX% on Fetch.
hellen Feb 2024 12:04pm, 4 Feb 2024 15,013 posts	Quote Pin hellen Thanks V, so now I need to knock some more time off to get a proper 80%! There I was thinking I was done because 20.59 is too far away from sub 20 so I thought no more goals and retire from PR!
Velociraptor Feb 2024 12:19pm, 4 Feb 2024 67,642 posts	Quote Pin Velociraptor WAVAs are getting tougher all the time. For me, and possibly for you although you're a bit younger, I think it reflects at least in part the fact that we're the first generation of women who grew up with access to road races longer than 6km. 80% seems to get further and further away for me and a WAVA upgrade last year took away my only 79%.
hellen Feb 2024 12:46pm, 4 Feb 2024 15,014 posts	Quote Pin hellen Can anyone explain this I do more marathons than I do 5km, I consider myself a better marathon runner than 5km runner. When I was at my fittest I did 19.34 5km and 3.12.21 marathon. At marathon I tend to beat people with a faster 5km /10km than me. So why is my 5km WAVA higher than my marathon WAVA?
jda Feb 2024 12:56pm, 4 Feb 2024 16,382 posts	Quote Pin jda Most people find marathon WAVAs much harder than shorter distances. You can be good relative to most people but still not good relative to the records! I actually have a marginally better marathon wava than for shorter distances, but I'm quite an anomaly and even then I've never truly peaked for a 10k or HM, my bests for these have been training races on the way to the marathon.
jda Feb 2024 1:01pm, 4 Feb 2024 16,383 posts	Quote Pin jda And I think fundamentally it's a metabolism thing rather than poor training. Around 2h or maybe 2:30, you can run pretty much 100% on glycogen. Once you are close to 3h and especially going well over, you have to burn a lot of fat which requires more oxygen for a given energy output and thus provides less power per breath. So it's a different type of endurance event for mere mortals versus elites.
Sharkie Feb 2024 1:05pm, 4 Feb 2024 22,356 posts	Quote Pin Sharkie What jda says. Most people are at their best somewhere in the middle of race distances - even after training specifically. Stands to reason. There are just as few true sprinters (100-200m) as there are marathon runners. Our own Mrs Jigs is one of those rare people whose WAVA score just gets better and better the closer she gets to marathon distance. I'm not as good as Mrs J but am another rarity as my WAVAs get better- a direct line down from 10k* - the closer I get to 60m. That's meters not miles * I DID train for it once upon a time.
57.5 Days of Pain Feb 2024 9:15pm, 6 Feb 2024 16,795 posts	Quote Pin 57.5 Days of Pain As with everything in running these days, WAVAs will get tougher as the top age group runners, female or male, get a boost from technology. parkrun WAVAs are not really applicable to the 'brave new world'. Its still a nice target though. And 80% using the different tables even gives several levels of challenge. And I'd still be very happy to see an 80% WAVA anywhere again using the old table, but it seems increasingly far away.
solo Feb 2024 1:41pm, 11 Feb 2024 815 posts	Quote Pin solo Hopefully once you are able to run again 57.5 Days of Pain your fitness will return. After my recent battle with C19 I was delighted to run an undulating 10k in 45.17 this morning giving me an over 80 wava. It was 7 seconds slower than last year but a higher wava 82.77. The roads were pretty flooded in places too which is always fun.