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Apr 2024
8:04am, 21 Apr 2024
3,147 posts
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Muttley
Well, as someone once said -- the Americans will do the right thing, when all other possibilities have been exhausted.
Depressing to see that the only member of the House actually born in Ukraine was *against* the bill.
I wonder what's behind Mike Johnson's about-turn. Was he secretly the good guy trying to get it through all the time, or a Putin and Trump dupe who for some unknown reason suddenly saw the light?
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Apr 2024
8:19am, 21 Apr 2024
27,000 posts
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richmac
I was wondering, but it's passed thank chuff.
Quick question, even though it was very short lived, did the Iran attack on Israel help Ukraine insomuch as that was all things that cannot now be used but Russia?
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Apr 2024
8:42am, 21 Apr 2024
3,148 posts
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Muttley
Hard to say imho. I think the Iran connection, attacking Israel and helping Russia to attack Ukraine, might have seeped into some minds but tbh the Maga crowd are so isolationist and thick they wouldn't understand it anyway.
But Trump seems oddly subdued on this, even after Johnson went and paid court to him the other day. Maybe he realized that much of the US public back Ukraine over Russia.
Interesting theory the other day was that Johnson, being a headbanging bible-bashing fundamentalist, was swayed by Russia's track record in destroying churches and persecuting evangelicals, not only in Ukraine.
But overall, my hunch is that Trump smelled electoral danger. Big Ukrainian and east European communities across much of the midwest.
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Apr 2024
8:50am, 21 Apr 2024
3,149 posts
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Muttley
The Economist wonders if Trump balked at letting Ukraine win because the resulting geopolitical mess would end up on his desk if he regains the presidency. But I suspect that credits him with more strategic vision than he actually has.
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Apr 2024
8:50am, 21 Apr 2024
10,259 posts
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Northern Exile
I have also been ruminating over this and am undecided on what finally forced their hand(s) but am relieved that the Americans have come through. Totally agree with Mutt's observation below, never a truer word spoken!
<q but tbh the Maga crowd are so isolationist and thick they wouldn't understand it anyway. </q>
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Apr 2024
8:51am, 21 Apr 2024
10,260 posts
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Northern Exile
Poop 
but tbh the Maga crowd are so isolationist and thick they wouldn't understand it anyway.
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Apr 2024
9:02am, 21 Apr 2024
3,150 posts
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Muttley
You keep agreeing with me, NE. I get worried when that happens
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Apr 2024
9:06am, 21 Apr 2024
10,263 posts
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Northern Exile
I know. Don't worry, I'll give myself a bloody good bollocking later and start disagreeing
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Apr 2024
8:26am, 22 Apr 2024
3,152 posts
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Muttley
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Apr 2024
9:17am, 22 Apr 2024
27,015 posts
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richmac
bit cynical
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