The War in Ukraine
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23 May
9:46am, 23 May 2024
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Muttley
I wonder if this argument is going the same way as with tanks, F-16s etc .... ? I hope so. Otherwise it's like expecting a boxer to win the fight without punching the other guy. archive.ph |
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20 Jun
11:58am, 20 Jun 2024
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Muttley
Interesting argument against Ukraine joining Nato. theguardian.com |
20 Jun
10:37pm, 20 Jun 2024
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Northern Exile
Yes, some sound arguments there. The truth is that all concerned will go some distance to avoid the nuclear option, I mean, why wouldn't you? The C2 watchers have been saying that there has been no lessening of nuclear readiness since the massive upswing at the commencement of hostilities.
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20 Jun
10:42pm, 20 Jun 2024
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Northern Exile
In fact... bbc.com |
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22 Jun
8:39am, 22 Jun 2024
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Muttley
Well, we knew already that Farage is a Putin bootlicker but good of him to remind potential Reform voters of that. I have no time for recent Tory ministers but they did at least get the big call right on Ukraine. Not that it was a hard call to make, of course. That's a major difference between the Tories and Farage's outfit. I wonder how many will care though. He bangs on about our sovereignty is happy to sell out Ukraine's to a despot who believes that he is at war with us, who has deployed radioactive and nerve agents in our country. A Kremlin dupe at best, a traitor at worst. |
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22 Jun
8:54am, 22 Jun 2024
10,371 posts
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Northern Exile
I also heard the Farage outpourings yesterday and like you, winced at the irony. You express it better than I could though, hopefully people out there realise what poison this man brings with him.
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22 Jun
8:59am, 22 Jun 2024
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richmac
I think he's just turned off a significant number of people who were leaning that way. When his ugly little head popped up in the mix I posted that if your look at reforms funding will there be donations from dodgy Russians? I'm guessing yes. |
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22 Jun
10:02am, 22 Jun 2024
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Muttley
There's some pretty savage responses doing the rounds on Twatter, and not only about him regurgitating Kremlin propaganda lies. I'm torn on this. On the one hand, the less we hear of this bullshit merchant and grifter the better. On the other, now that he seems to actually be nearing some kind of electoral success, encounters with skilled interviewers like Nick Robinson or Andrew Neil are going to expose his true colours. I switch channels whenever he appears but he seems to not respond well when being pressed. |
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22 Jun
10:04am, 22 Jun 2024
28,095 posts
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richmac
Actual question for the panel. F-16's are said to be operational this summer, Sweden I think have donated surveillance aircraft and Ukraine is getting more long range artillery. Are these the tools needed to stop the Russian advance tactics of rocking up with the big guns and destroying a city before fighting in the ruins? Could Ukraine now effectively counter the Russian artillery and hopefully destroy it? |
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23 Jun
8:58am, 23 Jun 2024
3,305 posts
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Muttley
I'm not a military analyst, but ... I think the F-16s' mission will be to achieve air superiority over Ukraine's skies and to project some firepower into Russian airspace, as Russian aircraft are able to drop glide bombs and launch missiles from their side of the border almost with impunity. Patriots have given them a few scares but it's risky deploying the batteries so far forward. Another mission will be to target air defences, presumably with anti-radar missiles, to enable further attacks against high-value sites. I'm not sure they're a game changer, and they come with maintenance and logistics requirements, but they'll sure help -- if the Ukrainian pilots have had enough time to train up on them. Practice flights are one thing, combat is another. The Ukrainians are already pretty good at counter-artillery strikes, with their own guns and with drones. |
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