The War in Ukraine

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Apr 2024
8:17am, 12 Apr 2024
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Muttley
What the Russians are trying to do is make Ukraine uninhabitable. And they'll succeed if they're allowed to knock out all the power stations. When that happens there'll be a huge outflow of refugees with all the turmoil that entails. (Which is also the point of Russian meddling in sub-Saharan Africa, refugee and migrant flows as a hybrid weapon.)

The US has left the field, shamefully, so Europe has to either step up and help Ukraine or get ready for much of the Ukrainian population to flee. The French get it, and from today's comments so does recently resigned defence minister James Heappey. Hungary and Slovakia and also Austria are in Putin's pocket, the Germans are equivocating. It doesn't look good.
Apr 2024
8:28am, 12 Apr 2024
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Northern Exile
It really doesn't look good. A lot will depend on elections both in the US and here in the UK and it's strange to think that such a lot depends on one man (Trump), although in all seriousness can the US afford to eschew an isolationist policy? I think they'd be happy to leave Europe to its fate as regards Russia, but with China in the sidelines and the renewed vows of eternal cooperation with the psychopaths in Beijing, well, they can't afford to go it alone. Whoever occupies No 10 after the election is going to have a very difficult job indeed as the situation in Europe deteriorates. And it will, if Russia prevails. Defence spending and recruitment is going to be at the top of agenda, not what any sane politician will want as the economy continues to (sort of) bounce back after the ravages of CV-19 and fucking Brexit.

Interesting analysis here:

The air war in Ukraine has intensified considerably over the past few months, with a dramatic increase in the number of sorties being flown by Russia's airforce. Some observers believe that, having gained a degree of initiative on the ground – for example, with the capture of the strategically important city of Avdiivka in the eastern Donetsk region – the Kremlin's war planners want to capitalise on this by maintaining the momentum.

Accordingly, Russia has intensified its assault on Ukraine's defences, while maintaining the attacks on power infrastructure that has been a key strategy since it launched its invasion in February 2022. The latest blow was the destruction, on April 11, of the largest power-generating plant in Ukraine’s Kyiv region. The Trypilska thermal power plant (TPP) was the largest supplier of electricity to the Kyiv, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions. It was the last of three major plants run by power generation company Centrenergo still in operation – one in the Donetsk region was occupied by Russian troops in the summer of 2022, and the second, in Kharkiv, was destroyed in a Russian attack in March.

There has been little, if any, good news for Ukraine's war planners in recent months, writes Christopher Morris of the University of Portsmouth. Morris, an expert in military strategy, points to recent Russian advances west of Avdiivka and other pressure points along Ukraine's frontlines as evidence of increasing Russian confidence that the tide might be turning their way.
Morris believes that now more than ever, Kyiv's western allies need to heed the pleas of Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, as he begs them to send more weapons. Time is not on his side. The Washington Post recently ran a story detailing what it called Donald Trump's "secret, long-shot plan to end the war in Ukraine", which would involve "pushing Ukraine to cede Crimea and the Donbas border region to Russia".

There's no indication from Zelensky that he'd give any of Trump's suggestions houseroom – and it also appears extremely unlikely from what Vladimir Putin has said that the Russian president would want to stop there anyway. But if Trump does win the US presidential election in November, it seems very unlikely that Kyiv can continue to count on US help. And that would shift the balance decisively in Russia's favour. Russia has successfully transitioned its economy on to a wartime footing, and its armaments industry is now operating to a capacity greater than many experts believed it was capable of two years ago. Moscow has also proved to be good at adapting and improving its stock of Soviet-era weaponry for use on the modern battlefield. An example of such ingenuity is the way its technicians have adapted its old "dumb bombs", basically unchanged since the second world war – the sort of munitions you dropped from an aircraft overflying a target – into what are known as "glide bombs". As military historian Gerald Hughes of the University of Aberystwyth writes, glide bombs are dumb bombs with wings and a fairly rudimentary guidance system attached. They have a range of about 70km and are much cheaper than other air-launched missiles. Russia's use of these guided missiles has increased by 1,600% over the past 12 months, with the result that Ukraine's defences – and cities such as Kharkiv – are taking a pounding.

Meanwhile, Zelensky continues to plead for arms. And if the US politicians dragging their heels over signing Joe Biden's aid package into law need a really potent message that Ukraine requires more and better air defence systems, then the havoc being caused by these relatively cheap and unsophisticated weapons should be enough.
Our colleagues in the US have published an article by Tatsiana Kulakevich, a scholar of eastern Europe at the University of South Florida, which delves into the politics being played out in the US over providing arms to Ukraine. Kulakevich believes the US is very unlikely to abandon Ukraine to its fate. One reason is the increased threat this will pose for Nato, whose member states sharing a border with Russia are already extremely nervous about the prospect of an emboldened Putin, flushed with military success, taking advantage of an isolationist US to indulge in further military adventures. But Kulakevich also points to the steady and inexorable rise of China as another reason the US can't afford to assume an isolationist position. Put simply, Washington needs Europe to compete with Beijing. She quotes US Navy admiral Samuel J. Paparo, who said in February 2024 that Russia’s potential loss in Ukraine is “a deterrence in the western Pacific and directly reassures partners”.

The possible reelection of Trump as US president is focusing minds across NATO. You may remember Trump quipped back in February that he would “encourage” Russia to attack any of the US’s NATO allies whom he considers not to have paid their fair share of the budget.
While he later dismissed this as campaign hyperbole, most observers believe that Trump is less interested in European security and the fortunes of the NATO alliance – which recently celebrated 75 years without a major war in Europe – than any of his predecessors, and certainly the current incumbent.

Michelle Bentley, a reader in international relations at Royal Holloway University of London, believes that Nato members need to "Trump-proof" their defence policies as a matter of urgency. She says European countries need to increase their defence spending to cold war levels, and that more cooperation to reduce the alliance's dependence on the US will also be important. While there are signs this is already happening, Bentley says that, as November approaches, it will increasingly be a priority. Another sign of how seriously some of Russia's neighbours are taking the threat of an emboldened Putin is the fact that many countries are either beefing up their conscription policies or thinking about doing so.

Rod Thornton, a defence expert at King's College London, has been looking at conscription and national service policies across a range of European countries, and writes that the war in Ukraine has served as spur for the reintroduction of the call-up across the continent. France and Germany, which both got rid of conscription (Germany as recently as 2011), are now talking about reintroducing it. Sweden, which recently joined Nato, dropped conscription in 2018 but has brought it back while introducing what it calls its “total defence service”. This will increase the number of people called into uniform from 4,000 a year to 100,000. The Baltic countries, which feel particularly vulnerable as a result of sharing a border with Russia, are all reviewing their conscription numbers. There's even been talk of bringing back national service in the UK, with newspaper columnists citing falling numbers in Britain's armed forces as an example of how far the country has fallen as a military power. Thus far, though, it remains just that: talk.

Days before Putin sent his war machine into Ukraine, he met with Chinese president Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the Beijing Winter Olympics, where the pair posed for photos and declared a "no-limits friendship". Now, we're told, the two countries have taken this even further (if this were rhetorically possible) after Russia's foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, travelled to meet his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, in Beijing this week. We asked Natasha Kuhrt, an international security expert from King's College London, what messages the west should draw from what we know about their conversation. Her verdict is that increased cooperation between the two countries, which pointedly talked of the west's "cold war thinking” and US "bullying", should be taken very seriously indeed. She concludes: "At the 2022 Madrid summit, Nato belatedly acknowledged the importance of the Russia-China relationship, and the worst-case scenario of a two-front war. This meeting does not diminish those fears."
Apr 2024
8:40am, 12 Apr 2024
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Muttley
Hard to disagree with much of that. But I think that Trump if re-elected will go isolationist. He and his fellow Magamorons know nothing of mutual security and understand even less. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene ffs, talk about thick as pigshit.

David Cameron has been striking the wrong tone in the US, imho. Instead of lecturing them about not appeasing a modern-day Hitler he should be pitching it to "what's in it for me?" That is, if Europe and Ukraine are arming up it'll be good for business for whatever defence sector enterprises are in their constituencies. But if the US lets us down we'll build up our own producers and US firms will lose out. The EU, if it wakes up, has an industrial base that can rival the US one, especially in Germany. And Ukraine has decent defence sector expertise as well.
Apr 2024
8:46am, 12 Apr 2024
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Northern Exile
True.
Apr 2024
9:04am, 12 Apr 2024
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Muttley
As always, "Darth Putin" is right on the money. Whoever is behind this account is a genius at boiling down the arguments and shooting down the fuckwittery.

Apr 2024
11:01am, 12 Apr 2024
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richmac
Ukraine getting new aircraft operational anytime soon, hopefully will remove the Russian air superiority, at least for now
Apr 2024
11:03am, 12 Apr 2024
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Northern Exile
Oh? Are you talking about the various countries that have offered F16s?
Apr 2024
11:04am, 12 Apr 2024
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richmac
^ I am, thought they should be ready to go about now ? Am I wrong ?
Apr 2024
11:38am, 12 Apr 2024
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Muttley
Will be a while yet. They need not only the trained pilots but the support and servicing infrastructure. In a war zone and under attack. It's all in hand but it ain't easy.
Apr 2024
12:52pm, 19 Apr 2024
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Cerrertonia
Seeing quite a bit of speculation that Russian saboteurs were behind the explosion at British Aerospace's facility at Glascoed earlier in the week. Saboteurs have been arrested in Germany, and there was a suspicious fire at a US Ammo factory in Scranton PA.

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Please feel free to post anything of consequence, links to reports, analysis, ways in which we can support the people of Ukraine. Not a forum for bashing the UK government, the politics thread is a good place for that.

Royal United Services Institute - rusi.org
Bellingcat - bellingcat.com
Human Rights Watch - hrw.org
Reuters - reuters.com
BBC Russian Service - bbc.com
Ria Novosti - ria.ru
Russian Online TV - ontvtime.ru
Russian TV News - tv-novosti.ru
UK Government Response - gov.uk
UK MOD Twitter Feed - twitter.com
ABC News - abcnews.go.com
Wion Russia - Ukraine - wionews.com

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