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Apr 2020
7:26pm, 25 Apr 2020
3,734 posts
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FergusG
Hope you continue to heal well Chris.
I’m wondering if I may get to run a marathon in the autumn, as I’ve got a place at Stirling. Maybe the smaller events are more likely to go ahead than the really big events? Who knows!
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Apr 2020
8:01pm, 25 Apr 2020
1,327 posts
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Daz Love
Cheers Larks. If my strap gets to the point that I have to change, I will go for it. The strap is iffy fo roughly 1 run in 4 at the moment and only seems to be for around 5 mins.
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Apr 2020
9:48am, 26 Apr 2020
1,122 posts
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puzzler
Weather report from Greenwich is blue skies sunny and getting pretty warm. Not as bad as 2 years ago but would be definitely a day to scale back the target time a few minutes. Roads are pretty much deserted like a race day but there’s no sound of the helicopters circling over Blackheath that usually mark the morning of the marathon for me.
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Apr 2020
2:48pm, 26 Apr 2020
3,207 posts
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STOOSH
Just watched the 1981 London marathon, looks like bazo just missed sub3 again 😂😂
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Apr 2020
3:12pm, 26 Apr 2020
16,315 posts
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Bazoaxe
Good effort for a skinny 13 year old though
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Apr 2020
7:06pm, 26 Apr 2020
1,311 posts
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Shortcut Cam
Just watched that too Stoosh. Inspiring to watch though it took me 28 years to run my first marathon and a further 6 years to run my first London.
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Apr 2020
12:52pm, 27 Apr 2020
10,881 posts
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larkim
From what I can see, the enthusiasm for running a fake marathon seems to have waned in most quarters yesterday. I spent yesterday morning on a bike riding 26.3m alongside my young whipper-snapper who fancied a relatively easy (!) effort. He had ambitions to run about 1:29 out and then aim for 1:20 back, but after I think 6 miles at 2:40 pace he was getting a touch warm and backed it off. But being fit and young he could still crack on with sub 90 pace after that, and got home feeling tired but not destroyed. Ended up with a marathon at target plus about 15 minutes, so let's say for a 3:15 hopeful that's a 3:30-3:40 equivalent.
Obviously there's the benefit of youth on his side, and clearly with no races for the next few months he won't have compromised any imminent performance goals, but it did leave me wondering what level of training benefit that sort of run could actually produce in the long run.
Broad parameters would be 90mins at MP+10-15%, 30 mins at MP, 60 mins at MP+10-15%. For him, that got him to marathon distance, but for the, ahem, older generation if you could nail that in a season where you were well trained, but not actually racing a marathon, how much of a deposit in the long term bank of marathon ability do you think that would make? i.e. train for a marathon, but the "event" be one tough solo effort as above, but without going all in on a marathon race day.
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Apr 2020
2:16pm, 27 Apr 2020
30,103 posts
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SPR
But that run on its own will have a negligible effect. Do all the rest and scrap the run. Unless of course you really want to do it, but training effect will be minimal.
As he's never done one(?), I'm sure it will have a decent psychological effect though.
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Apr 2020
2:20pm, 27 Apr 2020
7,196 posts
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jda
Yeah I would say not much point to that sort of run, I suppose at least he knows he can run sub-3 but there are better long run workouts. IMO.
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Apr 2020
2:49pm, 27 Apr 2020
10,890 posts
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larkim
No doubt for him yesterday was a psychological boost.
I was just trying to join the dots between the concept that a marathon build up with no race at the end of it would definitely make a contribution to future race shape, vs dipping into that race fitness a little at the end of a "no race" programme to go longer than you might do otherwise. I gues it's the hour at the end which is wasted in terms of training in impact though. 90 mins LR pace (in P&D terms) plus 30 mins MP at the end is fairly ordinary and I don't think would faze most of us towards the end of a marathon plan.
Perhaps the other side of it is that I'm giving myself a false sense of whether I could do that session and then carry on training, as he's raring to go for another run today. That's just youthfulness though.
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