The Sub 3:15 Marathon Thread
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Oct 2019
11:13am, 30 Oct 2019
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larkim
2Q 41-55mpw 18 week plan added too now - fetcheveryone.com/training-plan-view.php?id=531 Didn't take too long. I'm tempted by dropping in on the 4 week version at a time when I feel ready for ramping up the miles, and using the non-Q week of each 4 week cycle to slot in a non-JD 20-22 mile easy long run, alongside the rest of the easy running that week. |
Oct 2019
11:57am, 30 Oct 2019
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puzzler
I am looking at the 2Q plan (56-70) and thinking of upping the Easy long run that is in there every 3 weeks to 20+ miles, giving 5 of those over the schedule. I’ll probably add in a mile or two on to most of the other Q1 sessions. A long run doesn’t seem like long run until it’s 18 miles.
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Oct 2019
12:03pm, 30 Oct 2019
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puzzler
My fitness is starting to come back. HR numbers are back in the vaguely respectable category and Garmin has revised my VO2 max up to 53 from 51.
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Oct 2019
12:13pm, 30 Oct 2019
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larkim
Just looking at LRs, JD talks about 150min max, or 25% weekly total mileage whichever comes sooner. So for a 55mpw runner, 13.75m long run?!?! Particularly odd when most of his sessions in the 2Q plan are longer than that distance in miles (though would be shorter than 150mins time). The classic 20m LR would only kick in for 80mpw runners. Putting aside whether he is technically "right" or not in terms of physiology, the mental side of being on your feet for +/-150mins is important (to me). Interesting though reading something different like JD. Need to get into the meat of the rest of the book though, not just dip into the tables. |
Oct 2019
12:29pm, 30 Oct 2019
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Bazoaxe
SPR, its easier because if I have 3 x 2 miles I pause the garmin and re-start. If I jog for 3 mins I need to remember to start tempo and press lap after 2. 3 miles then 4.6 etc... Ok its not quite bas advertised but whether I jog or catch my breath I think its not much different overall |
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Oct 2019
12:30pm, 30 Oct 2019
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Bazoaxe
puzzler - that's been exactly my approach to the JD plan...
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Oct 2019
1:05pm, 30 Oct 2019
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SPR
Baz - It can all be programmed to happen automatically either by distance or time. There is a difference in theory. Continuing running at alternate but still fairly fast paces is supposed to work on the lactate shuttle (how efficiently you use lactate you produce). If you stop and rest you don't get that benefit as I understand it. |
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Oct 2019
1:07pm, 30 Oct 2019
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SPR
If JD does it for a different reason then ignore the above.
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Oct 2019
1:30pm, 30 Oct 2019
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Bazoaxe
Yeah I know, but I often don't have time to pre-programme, or maybe more the motivation to do so. Within the watch it works for a standard session, but JD has things like 5 x 1k with 3 mins recovery and 4 x 400m with 400 jog. You cant do that directly on watch, but can I think via garmin connect. Sometimes the JD plan does say rest and others it doesn't. I get that I may not quote do the run as prescribed, but what I do feel and discussed with WW after Abingdon is that I think the tempo sessions being chunked up is one of the main reasons for my recent improved times. Under P& A continuous 6m tempo might avge in low 6:30s but be slowing. When its 4 x 2mile I am hitting 6:20s or even faster. |
Oct 2019
1:30pm, 30 Oct 2019
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jda
I could never get the JD percentage thing to make sense for me. Just ignored it. My long run is routinely well over 30% of weekly, even up to 40%
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