The Environment Thread :-)

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rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
Jul 2022
4:49pm, 28 Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
They owe for the externalities of the damage they've caused.

Both ongoing and for the climate change denial and misinformation.

Tax them to death.
JRitchie
JRitchie
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6:14pm, 28 Jul 2022
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96% of world oil and gas reserves are owned by the state (directly or through state owned organisations). You should perhaps direct your comment there.

If only we had your foresight in the 1850s.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
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6:21pm, 28 Jul 2022
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98% is extracted by state owned companies? Not sure that's right.

Might be on state owned land. Different.

Private companies = profits to the few who were and are happy to spread climate disinformation. Led by Exxon, but BP, Shell etc all played their part in climate denial.

They funded it!! In order to keep us using oil and gas longer.

Without the disinformation leading to sclerotic movement on climate action, we'd be well on the transition curve by now, China wouldn't have built so many coal power stations (because wind and solar would already be much cheaper) and there wouldn't be a cost of living crisis.

So yes, those private companies have a case to argue. Especially when they are raking it in from the situation they've generated.

Make the bastards pay.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
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6:24pm, 28 Jul 2022
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1977. That's when Exxon knew about what their product would do.

scientificamerican.com

And like big tobacco before it, the last people to acknowledge they needed to make change I'd the o&G industry and their shills.

Even now, they pay Conservative politicians in the UK to question 'net zero' - oddly enough (sarcasm) it's the same idiots who think Brexit is a good idea.

They too need to pay
JRitchie
JRitchie
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8:58pm, 28 Jul 2022
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JRitchie
Happy earth overshoot day 2022
JRitchie
JRitchie
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9:13pm, 28 Jul 2022
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Nope most of the biggest oil cos globally are state owned.

I think it’s more likely that from the 70s KSA, Nigeria, USA, Russia, Kuwait, Venezuela and Norway would all still have continued the path set not withstanding what a few execs did or did not do.

Even now Norway - which uses very little of what it produces and doesn’t need the energy gdp has continued its FF program. Germany is increasing coal production as part of its response to the current crisis.

Global society created the position we are in. Blaming a few oil co execs may be a salve to some peoples conscience but its those companies and the talent in them that are now driving the next phase of ET.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
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11:04am, 29 Jul 2022
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rf_fozzy
Effectively what you are saying is that we should let a set of murder victims go unpunished because they're now thoroughly "nice" chaps.

Bollocks to them

They're still funding disinformation

I don't care if decommissioning costs money. Good - clean up your own mess. given the BILLIONS made in just 1quarter, the companies can afford them

And that includes the atmosphere and the damage caused.

And whilst it is important to hold other counties to account, whatterboutery will not solve the climate crisis.

We must set an example.
3M (aka MarkyMarkMark)
3M (aka MarkyMarkMark)
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11:15am, 29 Jul 2022
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Much as I personally might crave some form of retribution, if we're going to make it better we need their money so I think we might be better going down the "truth and reconciliation" path with the big energy companies.
jda
jda
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As a general rule, I'm in favour of letting murder victims go unpunished, irrespective of their niceness.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
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11:58am, 29 Jul 2022
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Sorry, indeed JDA. I meant perpatrators of murder rather than victims.

I'm still not awake yet today

About This Thread

Maintained by Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
Hi
I've seen environment (whether emissions, power, climate change, access to countryside, whatever you think of as "environment") discussed in various threads: Politics (obviously), the Electric Car thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/electric-car-anyone-61481/ , run free's excellent "Competitive Running and Keeping The Environment Clean" fetcheveryone.com/forum/running-competitively-keeping-our-environment-clean-60907/ my own Greta Thunberg thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/greta-thunberg---jfk-for-the-climate-generation-61044/ etc. but I haven't seen a general one.

So here it is. For those interested in the science, the politics, the action for (and I'll state that for me, this is mostly pro-environment, anti-emissions, anti-pollution etc.) and the hope for the future of our planet.

Useful links posted by contributors:
rf_fozzy: This is quite a good article about how disruptive technology works too: lesswrong.com
Basically about why Kodak completely missed the boat when it came to digital cameras timkastelle.org
run free's Grand Designs example Ben Laws is a man who built his dream: granddesignsmagazine.com granddesignsmagazine.com
Carbon Commentary carboncommentary.com

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