The Environment Thread :-)

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Dec 2024
8:44am, 8 Dec 2024
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Merry Christmas and Happy NewG(rrr)
I still believe there are high technology ways of bringing everyone up to a high standard of living.

Massive culture change would be required. Shared global investment in green energy, manufacturing only what is needed, repair and re-use, which wouldn't work with current economics, which is all based around production and consumption, where waste and throwaway is actively beneficial.

I'm concerned neither will happen though. I've got max 30ish yrs left on this planet. I'd love to be proven wrong, for sake of generations to come. :-) G
Dec 2024
10:09am, 8 Dec 2024
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Canute
The Paris Agreement achieved at COP21 was a truly remarkable achievement. It emerged following two relatively prosperous decades. The subsequent 9 years has seen a progressive deterioration in prosperity, exacerbated by Covid, and loss of resolve regarding climate change by the developed nations, leading to the minimal achievement of COP29. However, COP is probably still the best vehicle for international efforts to avert climate disaster.
Dec 2024
10:22am, 8 Dec 2024
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run free
@Red Squirrel sounds so cool what you were trying to do, and like you, have found that the truth is people don't want to compromise on the easy life style...even if there is a climate emergency. I was part of a carbon literacy course, and found some of the folk easily convincing everyone else that we shouldn't feel guilty about the lifestyle we lead but can make small changes despite at the beginning saying we were in a climate emergency. I felt it watered down the "climate emergency" or maybe it is only me who feels climate anxiety.

:) G Agree a massive cultural change in govts, corporates and societies are needed, circular economy and caring for our natural world etc. I am not sure of your first statement about high technology. Nuclear Power scares people that no one wants it in their back yard; carbon capture is hugely expensive; and using AI to figure out how to stop climate change as well as create poetry, music and more.......AI is hugely energy hungry so we need to create more power as we integrate it into ALL our technology so that we develop a dependency and don't have to think.

We (the rich nations) already have the solutions.....just that we don't want to compromise. We could help the poorer nations come to a better standard of living/mitigate climate change. But, as seen in multiple COPs, we are reluctant cos after all we enjoy dominating them and they (the poorer nations) are our work force to enable us to have cheap stuff to throw away.

Sorry to be so negative but I see us (rich nations) as selfish, spoilt and entitled. When we can give legal rights to our planet and truely respect that it is part of us being, I believe that is when we will begin to heal our world.
Dec 2024
10:27am, 8 Dec 2024
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run free
Canute despite my disappointment with COP and it being hijacked by corporates, is the best vehicle to help international collaborations..... also the people need to create louder voices for our own govts to change
Dec 2024
11:26am, 8 Dec 2024
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cackleberry
Classic current example, the battery storage facility I mentioned on the previous page is being fought by everyone local.

If we "want" energy from renewable sources, we need battery storage facilities. But nobody wants it near them.
Dec 2024
2:46pm, 8 Dec 2024
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run free
Here are climate solutions: drawdown.org
Dec 2024
9:40am, 9 Dec 2024
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run free
Going back to hope:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiTb08jf7vU
Dec 2024
12:36pm, 15 Dec 2024
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run free
After my very negative rant, it is fantastic to read Saudi is planning to plant 10 billion trees by 2100 and has already planted 44 millions tree rehabilitating 94,000 hectares of degraded land + is investing heavily in greener energy + developing carbon capture storage.

sgi.gov.sa
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6 Jan
11:45am, 6 Jan 2025
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3M
I can't decide whether I'm more saddened or more amazed and thankful for this evidence of species adaptation.

theguardian.com

A bit of both, I guess. And obviously not all endangered species are able to adapt like these.
8 Jan
1:11pm, 8 Jan 2025
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HappyG(rrr)
Great news of big battery farms being planned in Scotland (though wish they would get terminology right, should be measured in GWh, not GW!)

bbc.co.uk

:-) G

About This Thread

Maintained by HappyG(rrr)
Hi
I've seen environment (whether emissions, power, climate change, access to countryside, whatever you think of as "environment") discussed in various threads: Politics (obviously), the Electric Car thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/electric-car-anyone-61481/ , run free's excellent "Competitive Running and Keeping The Environment Clean" fetcheveryone.com/forum/running-competitively-keeping-our-environment-clean-60907/ my own Greta Thunberg thread fetcheveryone.com/forum/greta-thunberg---jfk-for-the-climate-generation-61044/ etc. but I haven't seen a general one.

So here it is. For those interested in the science, the politics, the action for (and I'll state that for me, this is mostly pro-environment, anti-emissions, anti-pollution etc.) and the hope for the future of our planet.

Useful links posted by contributors:
rf_fozzy: This is quite a good article about how disruptive technology works too: lesswrong.com
Basically about why Kodak completely missed the boat when it came to digital cameras timkastelle.org
run free's Grand Designs example Ben Laws is a man who built his dream: granddesignsmagazine.com granddesignsmagazine.com
Carbon Commentary carboncommentary.com

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