Sub 3Hr Marathon
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24 Sep
3:30pm, 24 Sep 2024
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Brunski
This ties in with my observations @Big_G of when I run without my optical HRM, or on the rare occasions I forget to switch it on. The watch HR is a random number generator when it comes to running, mine is about 2 years old and is a Garmin 245 music. |
24 Sep
8:49pm, 24 Sep 2024
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TR
Those scenarios are a shame if you are interested in collecting HR data. The advice used to be to use gel with chest straps? Not sure if that still stands? I'm only interested in the data from my ling run efforts like Saturday's, for shape comparison as stated before. Any training or racing is done to effort, so any pace and HR data can be collected to view later. I used to just have a £15 Casio until the last few years. I'd run something like London on elapsed time only too. |
24 Sep
9:38pm, 24 Sep 2024
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DT19
I only use a chest strap and have a bottle of ultrasound gel that I pop on the relevant parts before a run. Whether it's correct or not my hr readings are consistent. |
24 Sep
9:59pm, 24 Sep 2024
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Big_G
I train mainly to HR and on my Garmin on training runs I only have HR and distance displayed. I look at paces etc when I’m home, although of course I know if it’s a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ run when I’m actually out there. I tinkered with power (Stryd) for some time, alongside HR, but didn’t find it as reliable. Stryd was supposed to take into account wind resistance on windy days, but it was rubbish. I contacted Stryd about some data I was seeing, and they said there was nothing wrong with the device so I stopped using it.
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29 Sep
11:16am, 29 Sep 2024
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rhb
Today session, the last long run, is supposed to be 22 with 6 at mp then 6x1m at hmp 60s recovery then 6 at mp. Compared to the intermediate plan I followed in spring that was 22 with simply 12 at mp. My recent 1h21 Half makes me feel OK about the speed I can race at and I feel that fast reps mid run could overload fatigue so I'm going to switch to the 22 with 12, all done at effort not a specific pace target. Also running in new shoes which is less than ideal but last week realised my old ones are close to 500 miles. If I don't run sub 3 I doubt this single session wi be the deciding factor. Mildly annoyingly my watch now says I'm 'Peaking' which it also did 3 weeks out from Manchester with the taper yet to begin. Maybe I should do shorter prep and no taper into these races in future? 😅 |
29 Sep
11:21am, 29 Sep 2024
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Little Miss Happy
Sounds like a good idea riggsy. My Garmin tells me stupid things too. I take notice of time, distance, pace and RHR and that’s about it.
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29 Sep
11:28am, 29 Sep 2024
46,268 posts
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SPR
The peaking thing means your training load has dropped even if you're saying your taper hasn't started yet as peaking is load dropped with VO2 Max increasing. Productive is when VO2 is going up but loads is level or going up.
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29 Sep
11:53am, 29 Sep 2024
46,269 posts
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SPR
It might go back to productive after your run today.
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29 Sep
3:32pm, 29 Sep 2024
2,396 posts
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rhb
SPR wrote: It might go back to productive after your run today. It has 🤣 Run felt better than last week. New Trainers good although not sure about racing 26.2 in them but they'd be up to it. I'll do that next Sun, km not miles though and only 4 miles / 7km at pace. I followed the same route as last week but extended the warmup to 8 miles. Conditions more favourable plus later start contributed to feeling better. Annoyjngly it being later nearly all the road crossings were against me interrupting my rhythm. When I eased off after the 12 effort I pretty much ground to a halt, it was a hard cool-down. Still not convinced this translates to comfortable sub 3, I have the speed but still lack the endurance to sustain an even 6m49 pace for 26 miles I feel. Pace/HR Graph & Splits 1) 1mi - 9:37(9:37/mi) 127/144bpm [1222b/mi] 114cal 2) 1mi - 7:37(7:37/mi) 135/155bpm [1029b/mi] 103cal 3) 1mi - 7:34(7:34/mi) 137/142bpm [1036b/mi] 103cal 4) 1mi - 7:52(7:52/mi) 138/146bpm [1085b/mi] 104cal 5) 1mi - 8:03(8:03/mi) 137/145bpm [1102b/mi] 103cal 6) 1mi - 7:49(7:49/mi) 140/145bpm [1093b/mi] 106cal 7) 1mi - 7:38(7:38/mi) 138/143bpm [1054b/mi] 104cal 8) 1mi - 7:22(7:22/mi) 138/143bpm [1015b/mi] 106cal 9) 1mi - 6:36(6:36/mi) 149/155bpm [983b/mi] 99cal 10) 1mi - 6:59(6:59/mi) 153/157bpm [1068b/mi] 106cal 11) 1mi - 6:40(6:40/mi) 152/160bpm [1013b/mi] 98cal 12) 1mi - 6:31(6:31/mi) 154/166bpm [1003b/mi] 98cal 13) 1mi - 6:36(6:36/mi) 154/162bpm [1015b/mi] 98cal 14) 1mi - 6:36(6:36/mi) 155/160bpm [1023b/mi] 99cal 15) 1mi - 6:45(6:45/mi) 156/165bpm [1053b/mi] 102cal 16) 1mi - 6:40(6:40/mi) 154/160bpm [1028b/mi] 102cal 17) 1mi - 6:39(6:39/mi) 155/163bpm [1031b/mi] 104cal 18) 1mi - 6:54(6:54/mi) 157/165bpm [1084b/mi] 110cal 19) 1mi - 6:42(6:42/mi) 158/168bpm [1059b/mi] 105cal 20) 1mi - 6:39(6:39/mi) 161/167bpm [1071b/mi] 105cal 21) 1mi - 8:38(8:38/mi) 147/165bpm [1268b/mi] 112cal 22) 1mi - 9:13(9:13/mi) 139/149bpm [1281b/mi] 114cal 23) 0.41mi - 3:46(9:18/mi) 138/147bpm [1283b/mi] 46cal |
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29 Sep
4:59pm, 29 Sep 2024
173 posts
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DT19
Rhb, good session. 1.21 half definitely points to a reasonably comfortable sub 3. I'd trust a tapered half race over an untapered session. My last big one today, 21m with 7k, 6k and 5k at mara pace off 2k easy. Came out 6.14mm, 6.13 then 6.11 for the last block. It was also a comfortable finish in that there was no hands to knees etc, just stopped and walked. That's my biggest 5 weeks training block done so hopefully some taper magic now. |
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