11 Nov
4:47pm, 11 Nov 2024
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larkim
Chrisull wrote: Don't know why you'd have to hold your nose, the justices should be a) time limited terms b) made to retire after a particular age None of this will the 80+ yr old survive for another month, so the Dems can nominate. But as they aren't time bound in any way, overt politicisation of the retirement of judges should be resisted; hence I prefer the SC judges to be in control themselves, either through death or through making a choice themselves to stand down. Appointing SC judges* is a fundamental gift to a President and isn't going to disappear any time soon as it's in the Constitution. Sotomayor is younger than Trump so there's no logical reason she should be pressured to retire, unless she had an impending health crisis. *Subject to senate approval |
11 Nov
4:55pm, 11 Nov 2024
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paulcook
J2R wrote: larkim wrote:But equally, it would be blatant manipulation if Sotomayor chose to move on so that Biden could appoint, and as much as the outcome is good I'd have to hold my nose in terms of the method; and it would open up every presidency to enforced retirements which presumably someone like Trump would want to highly influence anyway. Did Jed Bartlett persuade an old SC judge to step down? This goes back to a point I was making a couple of days ago. The Right lie and cheat without batting an eyelid, while the Left does not, and will not, do so. And so the Right wins. Now, I don't want the Left to start lying and cheating, but neither do I want them to lose all the time. It's an awkward predicament, and one we are never going to away from as long as we have, for example, the Musk-controlled X. Left does not lie? I'll repost the wordcloud Fields posted a couple of months ago: Though it doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but this is the perception. x.com |
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11 Nov
4:56pm, 11 Nov 2024
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paulcook
JamieKai *chameleon* wrote: theguardian.com This is a strange read. The way the events are set out makes it sound like a bunch of Maccabi fans have run around being objectionable, causing a backlash from pro-Palestinian protesters - thereafter nobody appears to have covered themselves in glory. And yet the official narrative is that this is a new Kristallnacht, pogroms, and other such emotive language that for my money rather diminishes the realities of the atrocities committed in the 30s. I find this all very strange, and sad. Agree with all that Jamie especially the diminishing of atrocities from the past. It's such a very odd situation all round, and the mainstream press has come in for some criticism for it all too. |
11 Nov
5:04pm, 11 Nov 2024
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J2R
paulcook wrote: Though it doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but this is the perception. Yes, a lot of perceptions are not based on truth, particularly these days. The Left, of course, is not completely innocent of the sin of lying, but they do it far less, and far less routinely, than the Right (who often appear to prefer telling a lie over telling the truth even when the truth would not harm them). And any lies the Left do tell are given 10 times the media focus than the lies on the Right. |
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11 Nov
5:16pm, 11 Nov 2024
6,946 posts
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paulcook
One difference for me is when the right lie (or bend some perverted truth) they have the media to help create a weird faux outrage. Small issue yes, but look at the “reform was banned from the cenotaph” lie this weekend. Trump no doubt does this on an industrial scale. |
11 Nov
5:36pm, 11 Nov 2024
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SPR
The bare faced lies thing is fairly new I think?
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11 Nov
5:43pm, 11 Nov 2024
22,410 posts
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Chrisull
hence I prefer the SC judges to be in control themselves, either through death or through making a choice themselves to stand down. You'd be happy to be treated by a 90+ year old doctor then? Retirement in all other walks of life is the norm. |
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11 Nov
6:07pm, 11 Nov 2024
46,704 posts
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SPR
Being mentally sharp is different from being physically sharper. We don't think everyone should retire at 40 just because most athletes are past their peak by then. Not sure it being a job for life is great and term limits could make some sense but the real issue people have with it is the influence it gives the 'lucky' president (that they usually don't like) that gets to make the appointments long after they've moved on |
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11 Nov
6:16pm, 11 Nov 2024
5,720 posts
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J2R
SPR wrote: The bare faced lies thing is fairly new I think? Yes, I think it is. The first I really noticed of it was the Vote Leave campaign in 2016, and I think that really opened the floodgates. Cummings and Elliott discovered that they could say wholly false things, which were easily provable as wholly false, and not suffer any comeback, which was new. Prior to that there had always been the presumption among politicians that telling a bare-faced lie was a bit dangerous because you could be found out for it and would be punished as a result, but Vote Leave demonstrated that this was no longer the case (obviously as long as you have Cambridge Analytica, etc). And then over the ensuing months Trump took this to a whole new level. |
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12 Nov
6:57am, 12 Nov 2024
26,079 posts
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larkim
The other issue with the bare faced lies is that on the one hand it's tempting to say "don't comment on the daft stuff, all you're doing is giving it publicity" but equally those who are susceptible to the lies may see them as undisputed facts. The reform / cenotaph one was a decent example. Do we just like the lie die peacefully, or take on people like Oakeshott when they are parroting this stuff?
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