12 Nov
7:14am, 12 Nov 2024
28,459 posts
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TROSaracen
One of the problems is that the response has been to lie. Trump is a liar - surely the response is to call him out, not lie yourself and hope people make the right call in the voting booth. If you construct a huge 18 month long whopper yourself, on Biden’s cognitive health, you give them equivalence when your lie gets exposed on national TV in front of most of the country. Just fucking stupid. |
12 Nov
8:14am, 12 Nov 2024
26,080 posts
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larkim
I'm sceptical about the biden cognitive decline but as being "true". Maybe that's just my instinctive response to reject anything that (initially) the Trump camp asserted. But that sort of attitude is also symptomatic of where we are. I jump to a conclusion too, when in reality I should seek out facts. |
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12 Nov
8:40am, 12 Nov 2024
28,460 posts
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TROSaracen
That’s a fair point. The right started out highlighting Biden’s decline; the left’s natural response was to deny, lie and cover up. Loads of people instinctively assumed the left was correct and (as usual) the right lying. The truth was clearly out there if you sought it, but even here most believed the left as an automated response. |
12 Nov
8:42am, 12 Nov 2024
46,705 posts
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SPR
I think the issue is even if it wasn't true, people were concerned about it and he wasn't popular. If Trump is a massive threat to democracy then take it seriously instead of seeing it as an easy chance to win and essentially putting it all on the voters.
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12 Nov
8:47am, 12 Nov 2024
46,706 posts
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SPR
I'd forgotten that Biden also said he was a transition candidate. He was supposed to do one term but got greedy it seems.
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12 Nov
8:50am, 12 Nov 2024
26,082 posts
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larkim
But equally, I think the reason people were concerned about it was because the Trump side told people to be concerned about it. Or at least, they provided a lot of the energy behind that line of attack.
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12 Nov
9:20am, 12 Nov 2024
22,412 posts
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Chrisull
So over night Repubs racked up to 219 - so they have the house. The likely endpoint will be 220-215 (+5), long shot at 219-216 (+3) , and still possibly 221-214 (+7). Which makes it bizarre that they are nominating up 5 sitting congress men and women to take up govt posts which will lead to byelections in some marginal states: x.com So the House may yet end up being Democrat in a few months time. Add to that Marco Rubio being appointed (against the very public outpourings of RFK jr) which leads to a 2026 Senate election (probably safe Republican) and a mooted possible Iowa senator appointment, (in a very much more marginal situation), it looks like Trump is just putting who he wants where he wants with no regards for even short term strategic thinking... |
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12 Nov
9:54am, 12 Nov 2024
46,707 posts
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SPR
larkim wrote: But equally, I think the reason people were concerned about it was because the Trump side told people to be concerned about it. Or at least, they provided a lot of the energy behind that line of attack. I posted about this the other day, Democrat voters were concerned. It wasn't just a Trump thing. You had people like jda here highlighting it that wouldn't be following Trump. I think the issues with Biden were building and if you weren't paying attention in the UK or just heard what the DNC were saying, you wouldn't notice. |
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12 Nov
10:17am, 12 Nov 2024
26,084 posts
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larkim
But were they concerned beyond "this will be an old man in the white house in 4 years time" vs the more Trump narrative "this man is currently losing the plot and is not fit to be in the white house today, let alone in 4 years time"? As much as the President is all powerful in the states, if there were people around Biden who genuinely thought he was in cognitive decline beyond more than an occasional mixing up of a name then surely (surely!?!?) advisors would have had to take steps to address it. "17 people" in the West Wing addresses the concept to a degree. Maybe it's just a question of grade. A Biden at 90% cognitive capability is probably still superior to a Trump at 100% of his capability. |
12 Nov
10:20am, 12 Nov 2024
18,095 posts
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jda
The issue with Biden wasn’t whether he was competent to be president. It was whether he was going to be competent in 5 years. Once you understand that framing, it really wasn’t difficult to work out. You can argue over exactly how far down the road he is today, but you can’t plausibly argue that he was a sound choice for 2028. Not if you have any experience whatsoever of elderly relatives, anyway! Of course Trump’s in the same boat. But the democrats didn’t get to choose the republican candidate. They got to choose their own. It was one obvious screw-up though perhaps not all that important in terms of overall result. |
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