3:49pm
3:49pm, 9 Oct 2024
259 posts
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Yakima Canutt
Goodbye to the remaining tory centrist and the only adjective (ref News Quizz pun). A lurch to the right seems likely. |
3:55pm
3:55pm, 9 Oct 2024
46,373 posts
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SPR
I've said before, the threat to Labour is themselves. The threat to the Tories was themselves, people got sick of them and wanted them out. If the same happens to Labour, the question will be is there a more 'credible' alternative than the Tories.
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4:00pm
4:00pm, 9 Oct 2024
6,649 posts
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paulcook
RIP Conservative Party
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4:01pm
4:01pm, 9 Oct 2024
6,650 posts
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paulcook
R(ot) perhaps at that.
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4:02pm
4:02pm, 9 Oct 2024
25,771 posts
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larkim
Agree SPR. Being in govt provides a great shield around a Party's fortunes if they maintain discipline and don't create some massive cock up. The usual cycle will be for the new Opposition to struggle with that position for a couple of years whilst the recriminations continue. That's why Labour needs to get on the front foot with some brave decisions, because to an extent they can be insulated from the fallout for a short period of time. So I'm not too worried at the moment if Starmer's govt is not firing on all cylinders just yet. But the clock is ticking. |
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4:08pm
4:08pm, 9 Oct 2024
6,651 posts
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paulcook
larkim wrote: Agree SPR. Being in govt provides a great shield around a Party's fortunes if they maintain discipline and don't create some massive cock up. The usual cycle will be for the new Opposition to struggle with that position for a couple of years whilst the recriminations continue. That's why Labour needs to get on the front foot with some brave decisions, because to an extent they can be insulated from the fallout for a short period of time. So I'm not too worried at the moment if Starmer's govt is not firing on all cylinders just yet. But the clock is ticking. The threat may now not be from the Conservatives. Our traditional political picture has somewhat fractured, even if the two power bases still reap the good portion of the seats. And so Conservatives will remain national opposition (for now?). |
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4:09pm
4:09pm, 9 Oct 2024
46,374 posts
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SPR
Agree Larkim. Obviously an unforeseen event like a deep recession might change things but what people think of the government's actions over the next 3-4 years is likely to decide if they stay in power. The issue with the current issues is more you have to build back up approval but if you held a new election today, I don't see the Tories winning (whoever is the leader) despite the problems to start Labour have had.
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4:12pm
4:12pm, 9 Oct 2024
29,599 posts
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richmac
Reform (not so) lite
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4:15pm
4:15pm, 9 Oct 2024
25,772 posts
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larkim
That's the real positive for Labour. If KB or RJ try really hard to win back the Reform vote, they potentially gift the middle ground to Labour. Neither of them are Boris Johnson, so his peculiar appeal to that swathe of voters, as well as enough "normal" Tories, will be lacking when they try to build the wide coalition they need to recover.
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4:22pm
4:22pm, 9 Oct 2024
6,652 posts
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paulcook
If you believe the rumours, James Cleverly supporters were trying to vote out their less favoured opponent. Just too many of them did so. Hilarious if true.
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