2 Oct
11:31am, 2 Oct 2024
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rf_fozzy
And to expand the above, NATO is not an expansion of US foreign policy.
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2 Oct
11:36am, 2 Oct 2024
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larkim
No, but NATO is a component part of US foreign policy; as it is of the UKs, and all other members. But I think we are agreed broadly! It's certainly not an expansionist tool, at least not by design. The members, particularly the US, do though see it as a way of solidifying alliances; how can they not? And there's nothing wrong with that either *unless* you have a perspective which believes that the US should become less influential in the world. |
2 Oct
11:50am, 2 Oct 2024
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fetcheveryone
@Fields did you also remember what I said yesterday about not making personal attacks?
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2 Oct
12:08pm, 2 Oct 2024
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Johnny Blaze
I suppose in the world we are in NATO is now the official democratic opposition to the gathering conglomeration of autocracies/theocracies/non-democracies.
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2 Oct
12:12pm, 2 Oct 2024
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rf_fozzy
Johnny Blaze wrote: I suppose in the world we are in NATO is now the official democratic opposition to the gathering conglomeration of autocracies/theocracies/non-democracies. I don't think this is necessarily true either. |
2 Oct
12:32pm, 2 Oct 2024
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jda
It’s hardly a conspiracy theory to observe that a significant component of US foreign policy over many decades has been the destabilisation of (broadly) left-wing (anti-US) political groupings in various countries around the world and support of right-wing/pro-US parties. The modern history of Japan, to take one such example that hasn’t involved direct military action. |
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2 Oct
12:35pm, 2 Oct 2024
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Johnny Blaze
Well, XI, Putin and Lil' rocket man seem to be quite cosy these days... The developing thesis seems to be that strong autocracies are an inherently superior form of govt to democracies.
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2 Oct
12:39pm, 2 Oct 2024
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rf_fozzy
It is if you suggest it's some overreaching all-pervasive ongoing imperialist agenda I recognise that there is evidence of CIA and other direct activity in the ~50s-80s, but not in more recent years. And there's no evidence that it is trying to build an "American empire" |
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2 Oct
12:45pm, 2 Oct 2024
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larkim
Not an "empire" in the traditional sense, but I don't think there is much doubt that the US wants to be the over-riding political and economic force across the world. And that's the despite the isolationist attitudes of Trump which are ultimately contradictory anyway.
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2 Oct
12:45pm, 2 Oct 2024
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rf_fozzy
What I'm trying to get at is that there is lots to criticise the US and their foreign policy and the way they conduct it. What is not necessary is to build it into some overarching narrative and tie in other organisations, the media etc etc to suggest there is a vast conspiracy because it makes the world seem less chaotic and means there is a "reason" to why the world is as it is. I get it's comforting to want to believe it - that "we" are good and the world is the way is because of an "evil cabal", but it's simply not true. |
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