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3:29pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Johnny Blaze
Ah yes. That would be the Rory Stewart who still defends the austerity of Cameron and Osborne...
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Fields
What is a median earner?
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3:50pm, 12 Sep 2024
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DeeGee
A more generous metric than the mean earnings.

Median: £34963
Mean: £35830

The mean is dragged upwards by billionaires.
Median is the person right in the middle, so if the millionaire doubles his money, the median person still earns the same, the median doesn't move.
12 Sep
3:53pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Chrisull
JB - That's exactly the worrying thing. Stewart had the exact same voting record as Michael Gove in Parliament. Dyed in the wool Tory. Bit like Osborne trumping Ed Miliband's promise raise the minimum wage in 2015, by more.

Of course, part of it is that no elected mp of the major two parties dares say, we need to pay more tax, they might say it after they've left the post, but of course its pointless by then.
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3:53pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Cheg
It is also someone that earns a living from the central reservation.
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3:54pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Cheg
Three line whip. They all have the same voting record.

Rory Stewart defied that twice and paid the price for it.
SPR
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SPR
Re the median, of course the median will also stay the same if wages below it go down. For it to change something above needs to go below or vice versa.

Party politics does seem to make voting records kind of useless especially given the party discipline conversations we've had on here.
12 Sep
4:11pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Johnny Blaze
Chitter chatter online about reducing the tax free lump sum percentage on pensions...
12 Sep
4:32pm, 12 Sep 2024
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Fields
It seems tax rises must fall on those whose shoulders are least broad
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4:48pm, 12 Sep 2024
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larkim
Chrisull wrote:re: larkim needing more cynicism (ditto on cyclists on drugs)

I think for the moment history is showing me to be correct on the cyclists position. For now ;-)

And honestly, I do think that slightly less cynicism is required. Cynicism is rooted in distrust, pre-judged views, simplism. If I could campaign for one single thing it would be for removing cynicism from public life. Let's be more generous in understanding the views of those that oppose us, rather than simply saying "blue is bad, red is good". Let's not find answers only in dogma. Let's have the generosity of spirit that recognises that when someone gets a job that its down primarily to ability rather than pure cronyism.

Lebedev gave Rajan his first job with him as a media adviser presumably *based on merit* as there was no pre-existing relationship. 18 months later, presumably (Occam's razor) because he found Rajan was an effective member of his staff, as well as recognised internally and externally as a journalist and section editor within the news paper before his role with Lebedev, Rajan was promoted to editor. Proprietors appoint editors, that's par for the course. Undoubtedly, their existing working relationship was probably a key factor in that. But that relationship wasn't borne out of Rajan somehow manipulating Lebedev to value him, it was (most likely) because they worked well together and could agree on similar workplace goals.

And then that role lasted only 3 years, because Lebedev effectively closed down the paper.

That's not a sycophantic or patronage based relationship (simplism), it's a developed / developing working relationship that I think we can infer was built on Rajan delivering the goods.

Then we add in the fact that the BBC put its faith in him across a range of roles, for a period much longer than his working relationship with Lebedev, and we have a much more rounded picture of someone, rather than a caricature of some puppet being dropped into positions because his wealthy patron wanted it to happen.

Cyncism would say "Rajan only got that job because Lebedev wanted to put his puppet in there". I think that's far too over simplistic and ignores the facts of Rajan's pre-existing career before Lebedev.

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