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Nov 2023
12:32pm, 9 Nov 2023
43,200 posts
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SPR
What you mean after tolerating since he's been leader?!
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Nov 2023
12:32pm, 9 Nov 2023
43,201 posts
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SPR
*What you mean after tolerating it since he's been leader?!
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Nov 2023
12:32pm, 9 Nov 2023
24,206 posts
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richmac
That's my take. More interested in his look than the damage having a fanatic in cabinet will do the country.
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Nov 2023
12:34pm, 9 Nov 2023
3,661 posts
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paulcook
Sunak is just dead man walking. Think it was jda who suggested it above, but it suits nobody to be leader before a GE so until then he's leader and he'll last about 2 minutes once the 10pm opinion polls show how badly he's lost.
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Nov 2023
12:35pm, 9 Nov 2023
22,560 posts
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larkim
This is me in need of a historical lesson - but whilst with hindsight we have sight of the depravity of the Nazis, was the UK population, or indeed the "elite" in political leadership positions, motivated by suppressing the Nazi's assault on morality or was it more or less entirely territorial in terms of preventing the extension of Germany's borders?
And at what point did the understanding shift amongst the British people? Because whilst I do pay respects to those who died in the wars, I find it hard to believe that the average British soldier was doing anything other than repelling and suppressing potential invader vs fighting for moral freedoms etc.
My family has zero contact with the military and no history within it that is in family "lore" so I've got only a very remote level of personal contact with what went on during the war, which inherently has always meant Remembrance Day has had relatively little significance to me. And as I get older I understand it and respect it more, but I still struggle with some of the motives ascribed to those who fought and died on the Allied forces which feel like they are likely to over-state things and have been heavily ret-conned with our post-war understanding of Hitler's Nazi Germany.
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Nov 2023
12:36pm, 9 Nov 2023
43,202 posts
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SPR
The only reason Sunak has sacked her is because he thinks it won't go down well with the base as has been said. There's no win here for Sunak.
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Nov 2023
12:36pm, 9 Nov 2023
43,203 posts
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SPR
*hasn't
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Nov 2023
12:43pm, 9 Nov 2023
15,842 posts
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jda
I don’t think the Great British Public was particularly exercised about the fate of the Jews in 1939, or other marginalised groups for that matter. Even the Kinder Transport was just…Kinder. And Turing was hounded to death years later despite his contribution.
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Nov 2023
12:43pm, 9 Nov 2023
22,561 posts
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larkim
The issue Sunak presents is that he may inflict such damage on the party that the cabal that is left post GE night will be so small and talentless that they won't be able to offer an effective opposition either.
From a pure tactical standpoint, it still yet may serve the Tories well to change a leader if they see there's a realistic prospect of limiting the losses vs what they expect of Sunak. He doesn't look like a great campaigner either. Whatever one's view of Johnson, at the very least you can say he was a successful campaigner.
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Nov 2023
12:46pm, 9 Nov 2023
3,662 posts
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paulcook
I know I'm in a minority but I still find it incredulous that Johnson wasn't re-elected leader last October for that very reason.
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