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Nov 2023
9:35am, 9 Nov 2023
4,672 posts
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StuH
The board has been set and the pieces are in motion. Braverman and Sunak will regret their role in all this if a bunch of right wing nutters decide to have a go on Saturday.
I don't think they will. They will use any clashes to vindicate their position and deflect blame to the protesters 
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Nov 2023
9:36am, 9 Nov 2023
31,233 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I might be old-fashioned but I don't think there should be any "political" element to Remembrance Sunday at all. Really. None.
However every year now it seems to descend into "where's your fucking poppy?" meatheadedness, stoked up by the tabloids. It should be left alone as a politics-free day of national reflection. Some hope.
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Nov 2023
9:45am, 9 Nov 2023
15,832 posts
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jda
No chance whatsoever of a tory leadership election this side of the GE, unless Sunak suddenly dies of something. The players are setting up their positions for the aftermath.
(ok there's always a chance, there could also be some scandal about to unfold, but the tory press wouldn't play that game even if offered it.)
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Nov 2023
9:49am, 9 Nov 2023
15,833 posts
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jda
Good luck on your mission to depoliticise remembrance sunday JB. I suggest you start by convincing a few million jingoistic imperialists.
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Nov 2023
9:58am, 9 Nov 2023
31,234 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I realise it's a vain hope...
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Nov 2023
9:59am, 9 Nov 2023
4,806 posts
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J2R
For very many people in this country, the true, sacred meaning of Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday is 'two world wars and one world cup'.
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Nov 2023
10:06am, 9 Nov 2023
10,317 posts
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Fields
It’s important to remember that no one died in WW1 for freedom of speech, democracy etc, they died to further the interests of British imperialism and those of the ruling class. Many of those who died were not entitled to vote.
“War is organised murder and nothing else”.
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Nov 2023
10:41am, 9 Nov 2023
4,445 posts
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Ally-C
The glorious days when the Sun never set on the Empire.
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Nov 2023
10:49am, 9 Nov 2023
48,388 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I think respect is due to those who have taken part in war and conflict, if nothing other than the horror and danger they have endured. But I can still oppose war, all war, and agree that the aims are almost always power, protection of interests, profit and rarely, if ever, some kind of protection of liberties. Imho etc.
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Nov 2023
11:16am, 9 Nov 2023
4,808 posts
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J2R
War may in some cases be 'organised murder and nothing else', Fields, and I agree with you about WW1, which was simply a set of large imperial powers tussling over dominance, with no right or wrong. But in WW2, do you really think war was not justified, indeed necessary, to prevent the evils of Nazism completely taking over Europe?
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