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Nov 2023
2:52pm, 2 Nov 2023
48,306 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
The "religion" thread on Fetch (and I don't really frequent it so don't know if it is Christian focused, but in Fetch style I would hope that it is muti-faith) is called "God botherers fess up" so I think we have a tradition of fairly flippant language?
However I'll avoid "bible-basher" if that is offensive to some.
I am not a member of any organised religion but I can repeat and even envy those who do. But only when it espouses tolerance and understanding. At the point it spills into dogma, and denial or overt criticism of other religions or those with no religion, then I think it has effectively cancelled itself (to use the modern parlance).
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Nov 2023
2:52pm, 2 Nov 2023
48,307 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
*respect not repeat
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Nov 2023
2:56pm, 2 Nov 2023
48,308 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
To hurt someone else, never mid to take up arms and to kill, in supposed support of a religion is an untenable contradiction, imho.
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Nov 2023
2:58pm, 2 Nov 2023
15,773 posts
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jda
Can we agree on "god-botherer" as a harmless and apparently fetch-approved term?
<ducks and runs away>
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Nov 2023
3:19pm, 2 Nov 2023
43,165 posts
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SPR
The point of the term isn't about whether a belief is genuine (it probably is), it's about the 'bashing' of others with those beliefs essentially.
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Nov 2023
3:20pm, 2 Nov 2023
31,188 posts
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Johnny Blaze
You don't have to be a member of an organised religion to be a Christian. Justification by faith alone is enough, unless my reading of the Reformation is incorrect.
I rather think an inspection of history would reveal it's the "organised" bit of religion that caused a lot of the problems rather than religion per se. Because a lot of religious orgs are about social control innit. Hard to have social control if people insist on making their own decisions.
If someone wants a personal Jesus it's their prerogative. There are worse gods to believe in and that's the stone truth.
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Nov 2023
3:21pm, 2 Nov 2023
43,166 posts
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SPR
Obviously it can be said without using the specific phrase but if people are committing harm because of genuinely held beliefs, I don't think that makes it any better.
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Nov 2023
3:27pm, 2 Nov 2023
7,506 posts
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Helegant
Lurking with interest... maybe the word of the year could be empathy?
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Nov 2023
3:40pm, 2 Nov 2023
48,313 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
Where is the Like button? +1 to Helegant's past.   G
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Nov 2023
3:45pm, 2 Nov 2023
444 posts
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AJLB
As a "professional" Christian I would say "Bible basher" is certainly derogatory, since most Christians hold the Bible in a place of reverence, to "bash" it suggests unsuitable treament of it, and the term is usually used to disparage a particular kind of Evangelical Christian. And whilst I'm here I'd say that I don't think it's extremist religious beliefs per se that cause problems, but when they are wedded to nationalist/political causes (of course I would say that!). This was the case in the crusades, when many "Christian" nations saw the change for land-grabs and outright looting (hang your head, Venice) and the pattern was followed when various leaders asserted a kind of Brexit-y independence through attachment to the Reformers cause (eg Henry VIII). I'm reluctant to pick any examples from current events, but they are plentiful, and Iranian Islamism might be a good one.
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