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Oct 2023
10:39pm, 21 Oct 2023
15,679 posts
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jda
Yeah and remind me how many of them voted against Johnson’s shit deal? Or spoke out against brexit at any point after the referendum?
(some backbenchers did on both sides of course, but not the leaderships.)
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Oct 2023
10:47pm, 21 Oct 2023
31,128 posts
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Johnny Blaze
You said all the way. Factually incorrect.
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Oct 2023
10:48pm, 21 Oct 2023
31,129 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Look up how many Labour MPs voted Remain and what % of labour voters also voted remain. Facts don't lie.
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Oct 2023
11:53am, 22 Oct 2023
340 posts
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5km_is_plenty
I think we should all move on from #brexit.
Again, I'm completely biased, but I applaud Starmers/Labours approach. And that is to try to make the best of a bad job. Work with the EU within the framework for the best interest of alll involved. Grown-up politics. Not Tory point scoring.
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Oct 2023
1:18pm, 22 Oct 2023
9,733 posts
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simbil
Nah, just Starmer avoiding a wedge issue. Everybody knows we narrowly voted to blow up a cash point and have to pretend that it's good because the wreckage is an opportunity to recycle some metal and the smoking hole in the wall is a development opportunity.
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Oct 2023
2:16pm, 22 Oct 2023
15,681 posts
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jda
I don't see why we have to collude in an obvious lie. It pollutes and degrades public discourse to have politicians on all sides stand up and spout transparent lies, and it also prevents any effective solutions being pursued.
The only way to "move on" from crippling our terms of trade with all our neighbours is to improve our terms of trade, and doing this requires recognition that our terms of trade have in fact been crippled. The idea that being the North Korea of the west is an "opportunity" that we can "make a success of" is laughable, and it's obvious to anyone who thinks about it that it's laughable.
You might as well have party manifestos based on alchemy. No doubt there would be people here saying we should prefer the Labour plan for turning lead into gold, over the Tory one.
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Oct 2023
2:47pm, 22 Oct 2023
3,502 posts
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paulcook
That’s a wonderful analogy.
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Oct 2023
4:11pm, 22 Oct 2023
341 posts
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5km_is_plenty
It's called realism.
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Oct 2023
4:19pm, 22 Oct 2023
43,086 posts
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SPR
Realism isn't pretending that everything is fine, that's called lying and all parties doing that is what got us into this mess.
Realism might be that we can't go back into the EU now but there has to be a better way than pretending that everything is/ could be better because of Brexit.
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Oct 2023
4:32pm, 22 Oct 2023
342 posts
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5km_is_plenty
"Realism might be that we can't go back into the EU now". Exactly this. I voted to remain. But you can't keep holding a vote just because you didn't like the result.
Move on, let Starmer and Labour make the best of #brexit.
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