Aug 2023
11:15am, 4 Aug 2023
9,760 posts
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Fields
As I’ve said before many times; there were opportunities to provide such a government in both 2017 and 2019 but the labour right refused to support their democratically elected leader.
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Aug 2023
11:25am, 4 Aug 2023
2,808 posts
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Surelynot
BazoaxeThere is no contradiction, in my view. it simply points out the difficult position Labour is in. It will be very interesting to see what happens in the GE. I can't imagine too much deviation from the UK manifesto or it's just too easy to point out the inconsistencies. |
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Aug 2023
11:31am, 4 Aug 2023
2,809 posts
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Surelynot
As did the electorate, Fields But you do seem to be conceding that having a socialist government and being a member of the EU are not incompatible. |
Aug 2023
11:51am, 4 Aug 2023
22,698 posts
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richmac
I would have to re-examine my thought process on an issue if I realised that my bedfellows consisted of Rees-Mogg, Farage, Johnson and the rest of that ghastly cast of goons. I'd maybe have thought that perhaps what I'm looking to achieve by doing this will actually deliver a worse outcome and the people and institutions I think are to blame for destroying society will be further enabled and emboldened to do their worst. Maybe. I've said this as well. How could anyone align themselves with that crowd and think they weren't going to get screwed over is beyond me and to think that them 'winning' the referendum would lead to some sort of socialist reaction is absurd, it was obvious that it would only make them more popular. |
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Aug 2023
11:52am, 4 Aug 2023
9,761 posts
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Fields
<q>As did the electorate, Fields But you do seem to be conceding that having a socialist government and being a member of the EU are not incompatible.</q Good for the Spanish for having success with their approach. The Greek experience would suggest that any member deviating too far from the prevailing neoliberal position will be swiftly dealt with by the dominant northern states |
Aug 2023
12:13pm, 4 Aug 2023
30,728 posts
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Johnny Blaze
That’s another Leninist echo: “the worse it gets the better it gets”. “It's the old "the worse, the better" ploy. In the pre-Bolshevik days, Vladimir Lenin supposedly said, “the worse, the better.” What he meant is that the worse things got, under the czar or during the chaos following the czar’s toppling, the greater the chance that ordinary Russians would turn to Lenin's brand of Marxist revolution.” If only our country would utterly collapse, because it would herald the New Socialist Dawn. I’ll put a call into Malibu Rishi to see if he can finish the job. |
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Aug 2023
12:50pm, 4 Aug 2023
9,762 posts
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Fields
Seems a bit futile considering this argument tbh makes me long for your Starmer supplication posts
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Aug 2023
1:52pm, 4 Aug 2023
15,264 posts
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jda
It’s fundamentally a spiteful and vindictive philosophy that seeks to cause as much harm as possible.
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Aug 2023
4:10pm, 4 Aug 2023
3,874 posts
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Ally-C
I see Eddie Izzard is standing as a Labour candidate in Caroline Lucas’ old Brighton seat, she is stepping down. She(Izzard) is bizarrely espousing Green credentials by standing against the Greens 😀 |
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Aug 2023
9:34pm, 4 Aug 2023
9,764 posts
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Fields
Can see that one being a bloodbath
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