Jul 2023
6:43pm, 12 Jul 2023
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richmac
Yep, like screaming Paedo at people till it sticks. Didn't think I could think any less of the Sun, yet here we are |
Jul 2023
6:47pm, 12 Jul 2023
60,449 posts
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Derby Tup
Beeb crisis is the headline on the Sun website. Shocking
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Jul 2023
8:04pm, 12 Jul 2023
22,474 posts
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richmac
Shameless assholes. There is also news of mad nads. Speculation that her petulance over being denied a seat in the Lord's and the way she acted out might actually have been illegal. Looks like they just want rid of her. Bit Luke Johnson. |
Jul 2023
11:19pm, 12 Jul 2023
30,582 posts
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Johnny Blaze
"She also asked to see WhatsApp messages he exchanged with a host of politicians, including then-Chancellor Rishi Sunak, as well as various civil servants, including the UK's top civil servant Simon Case. But the former PM's WhatsApp messages are held on a mobile phone which has been turned off and securely locked away since May 2021, due to a security breach. Mr Johnson was forced to change his mobile phone in 2021 after it emerged his number had been publicly available online for 15 years." This utter fuckwit was our PM and led us to our most disastrous act of selfharm since the war. |
Jul 2023
10:21am, 13 Jul 2023
2,680 posts
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Canute
It is interesting to see that the Lords have voted to re-insert their amendments to the Illegal Immigration bill regarding human trafficking and detention of children, despite the HoC rejecting those amendments. Are there limits on the length of such a ping-pong rally? Maybe the Lords sense that the Government has its back to the wall with this Bill. Although I am opposed to the concept of an Upper House composed of Lords and bishops, it is pleasing to see that this crusty Upper House still appears to reflect the conscience of a large segment of the population.
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Jul 2023
10:31am, 13 Jul 2023
2,979 posts
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paulcook
Are there limits on the length of such a ping-pong rally? Trying to think back to when I was taught some of this at college, yes there are. But I honestly couldn't guess at for how long. And I don't know (if any) the differences between bills that were part of manifesto promises and those not. |
Jul 2023
11:29am, 13 Jul 2023
21,520 posts
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larkim
Ping pong of revision is (I think) different to what things like the Parliament Act can do, which is when the Lords have rejected a bill, the Commons can reintroduce next session and legislate without Lords approval (used to be a 2 year delay, now just 1 year). Not sure how that applies where there are just amendments which are not being accepted or new amendments proposed. The overall "readings" process may address that. There was a convention on manifesto bills, ISTR, but I don't think that is in the legislation. A briefing here commonslibrary.parliament.uk |
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Jul 2023
12:45pm, 13 Jul 2023
2,681 posts
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Canute
Thanks Larkim. As I read the HoC Library briefing regarding the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, which limit the powers of the House of Lords to block primary legislation (other than Money Bills), the Commons can only enact a bill without approval by the Lords if it has been rejected by the Lords in two separate sessions. When is a bill deemed to have been rejected? The HoC Library briefing states: ‘ “Rejected” has a wide meaning. If a bill fails to pass through all of its stages in the Lords, it is deemed to have been rejected.’ This suggests to me that if the Lords keep the ball in the air by proposing amendments until the end of the current session, it will be deemed to be rejected in this session. It will have to come back to the Lords at least 12 months after the Second Reading in the Commons during the current session. |
Jul 2023
12:48pm, 13 Jul 2023
13,527 posts
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Dave W
And none of this shit was in the tories manifesto. But you could have guessed at it. Wouldn't take a genius to figure out that these , what was it David C? "Fruitcakes", "loonies" and "closet racists". Not so much with the closet, this mob. |
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Jul 2023
12:49pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,525 posts
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larkim
Makes sense. So the Lord's current tactics can therefore delay the legislation by at least 12 months. At the very least that complicates the govts timekeeping in the next session and potentially pushes it out beyond their (potential) term of office.
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