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Jul 2023
1:16pm, 13 Jul 2023
2,682 posts
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Canute
Alternatively, the Government might decide it is better to accept the Lord’s amendments, but that will soften the impact of the bill, and they will need to act quickly.
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Jul 2023
1:22pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,527 posts
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larkim
Which is in effect what the "constitution" expects the Lords to do - review, critique, "improve", legislation which may have been forged in the white heat of raw politics and help to turn it into legislation that still meets government aims (and potentially public opinion) whilst addressing the rough edges or concerns about extreme impacts.
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Jul 2023
1:32pm, 13 Jul 2023
2,980 posts
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paulcook
Checks and balances. Which is why it’s probably vital that as much as some people hate the lords we keep some kind of second chamber if we do go down the road of reform.
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Jul 2023
1:57pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,528 posts
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larkim
The key, if something is set up from scratch, is to scope out the second chamber's powers clearly and then tread that fine line between giving it meaningful powers to ensure that good citizens want to be a part of it vs limiting it's powers so much that it is utterly toothless.
Despite everything, from time to time the Lords has actually been pretty good at finding that balance more by luck than good foresight. (Though not always, and arguably it is force acting to maintain the status quo which makes it inherently challenging to those with rebellious leanings!)
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Jul 2023
2:02pm, 13 Jul 2023
15,118 posts
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jda
Giving it meaningful powers ensures that bad citizens want to be part of it!
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Jul 2023
2:13pm, 13 Jul 2023
41,577 posts
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SPR
Of course PR would be the much more useful reform...
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Jul 2023
2:14pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,532 posts
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larkim
Giving it meaningful powers ensures that bad citizens want to be part of it!
LOL, yes I guess that cuts both ways!
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Jul 2023
2:15pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,533 posts
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larkim
Of course PR would be the much more useful reform...
Yes, but once elected on a PR basis, a bi-cameral legislature may well still be something that would be recommended or needed.
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Jul 2023
2:16pm, 13 Jul 2023
21,534 posts
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larkim
In other news - Johnson's "forgotten his passcode" to the compromised phone. Quelle surprise.
So no-one thought to ask "Just before we lock it away so the Russian's can't (continue to) hack it, can you write down the passcode in case you forget it, given you're so busy Mr Prime Minister?"
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Jul 2023
2:19pm, 13 Jul 2023
41,578 posts
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SPR
I've said previously that I'm not sure an elected upper house is worth having.
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Fantasy General Election
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