Oct 2022
7:22am, 24 Oct 2022
57,150 posts
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Derby Tup
He’ll make a fine leader. At least he’s capable of tucking his shirt in and combing his hair
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Oct 2022
8:33am, 24 Oct 2022
7,100 posts
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Fields
Depends if you think blood on his hands from covid policies is cleaner if it’s source is economic dogma rather than laziness
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Oct 2022
10:06am, 24 Oct 2022
19,420 posts
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larkim
Interesting to hear so many of Johnson's supporters now saying it will be impossible to avoid a GE. Implies (threatens) that they are planning to destabilise a Sunak govt in order to trigger a GE, doesn't it?
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Oct 2022
10:08am, 24 Oct 2022
1,941 posts
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paulcook
Nadhim Zahawi 9:07 Nobody [than Johnson] else can better face off the threat posed by Sir Keir Starmer 9:29 A day is a long time in politics... Given today's news, it's clear that we should turn to Rishi Sunak to become our next Prime Minister. Rishi is immensely talented, will command a strong majority in the parliamentary Conservative Party, and will have my full support & loyalty. A day? More like 20 minutes. Now it’s James Cleverley’s turn for total amnesia. I know these lot are shameless but the rewriting not only of history but their own history inside 24 hours is different level. |
Oct 2022
10:28am, 24 Oct 2022
44,373 posts
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HappyG(rrr)
I’ve worked in several companies where there was a level of middle management who would attach themselves to the hindquarters of one senior leader after another, repeating all the lines their new master instructed them to deliver without so much as a single blush. There was no level of insincerity and self-abasement they wouldn’t sink to. And in the end the only motives were one or all of the following: I preserve my job I get more money I get his/her job at some stage when the opportunity arises It was always self, self, self with them. JB, I agree, there is a cohort of middle and upper management (and I assume it's the same in politics) who are quite happy self-promote, benefit from others' work without giving credit, mess things up without taking responsibility, constantly spin and obfuscate to make themself look best, without caring if it disadvantages others or even the company as a whole (as long as it isn't seen as such). And it's all headlines and short termism too, in UK business - this financial year, this project, this initiative, no view of historical results and logically applying it to a future plan. Seems the same in politics. I don't understand why people are so short sighted and self-serving? Except that it does lead to "success". So I suppose it's natural. Need a major change of culture and to re-frame what constitutes value and success, to create any other kind of outcome.  G
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Oct 2022
11:08am, 24 Oct 2022
28,767 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I'm relieved he's in the bin, and I hope we can now have a bit of stability after 3 years of clownish incompetence and lies. I think Sunak is eminently beatable.
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Oct 2022
11:14am, 24 Oct 2022
19,425 posts
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larkim
Sunak has never wowed at the despatch box, and he doesn't give the impression of being a robust campaigner on the hustings, so I'd agree he's not a bad candidate for Starmer to be up against in an election. Plus he's tarred with the Johnson brush having been fined too, and his early disloyalty to Johnson when Johnson was deposed will still rankle with the Johnson loyalists sufficiently for him not to get an easy ride from within the party. |
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Oct 2022
11:15am, 24 Oct 2022
1,942 posts
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paulcook
Sunak will be a disaster. The Tory's support in the supposed Red Wall will crumble to nothing. They're not going to vote for a multi-billionaire, non-dom, who is cast as prolonging Covid because of Eat Out to Help Out. The colour of his skin won't just put off Tory members but also vast swathes of the country for voted Brexit for one reason, and one where Johnson was their figurehead. Hopefully the likes of Christopher Chope is right and Sunak may need an early general election because of in-fighting, unfortunately he's amassed a quite sizeable amount of MP support already and then there's those like Zahawi and Cleverly who don't care which way the wind is blowing and will support anyone at the drop of a hat. |
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Oct 2022
11:21am, 24 Oct 2022
28,768 posts
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Johnny Blaze
I don't think having a billionaire leader at a time when living standards are going backwards is a great look. Some people seem to think Johnson was "likable" - one of us, a bloke you could have a pint with. That's baffling to me, but there you have it. I don't think Sunak has the common touch and he'd be well advised to steer clear of staged displays of his 'umbleness. It won't wash. Not in a month of Sundays. |
Oct 2022
11:26am, 24 Oct 2022
3,477 posts
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JRitchie
Brexit nuttery is a cross party issue - supporting brexit is not a key indicator of being right wing. The Guardian article on bounce back loans is 8months out of date. July 22 government update released in September shows a much lower number of suspected Fraud of £1b. gov.uk I am not sure that Rishi copied other's furlough idea. The UK's was implemented as one of the earliest and some detailed EU analysis shows that it was pretty generous from the perspective of percentage GDP. Certainly its up there with the levels of support from EU territories with more left leaning governments. etui.org Richmac's comments "responsible at least in a large part for the mess the country is in" does reflect the challenge Rishi has. |
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