Jun 2020
6:26pm, 6 Jun 2020
4,105 posts
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run free
The number of serious cases seems to have fallen. Would this be more appropriate to look at rather than simply the number of cases?
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Jun 2020
9:32pm, 6 Jun 2020
500 posts
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Non-runner
I’d like to see the number requiring hospitalisation. If people get the virus but it is just a mild inconvenience, and they isolate etc, what is the issue?
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Jun 2020
8:10am, 7 Jun 2020
23,374 posts
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Johnny Blaze
Bolsonaro starting to "manage" inconvenient data now. It could never happen here. bbc.co.uk |
Jun 2020
9:32am, 7 Jun 2020
2,619 posts
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um
NR - google.co.uk Not sure what you mean by 'mild inconvenience' ? It may be that for some, but even those without hospital admission can suffer -read some of the experiences on here. It can be a debillitating illness for 6 - 8 weeks and leave lung problems for, as yet, unknown time. And then the worse cases for those hospitalised ... |
Jun 2020
12:24pm, 7 Jun 2020
1,654 posts
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Dave W
Sage expert epidemiologist professor John Edmunds said he thought the government’s “situational awareness” would have made it difficult to impose the measures sooner, but that the delay “has cost a lot of lives”. Government fuckwit (4 CSE's and a diploma in flower arranging) Matt Hancock says that he's "sure" it didn't. |
Jun 2020
12:29pm, 7 Jun 2020
16,638 posts
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Bazoaxe
I think Hancock is doing his best, but TMW described him perfectly as a middle manager doing his best having been promoted above his capabilities. I also suspect he is being set up to be the fall guy. |
Jun 2020
12:33pm, 7 Jun 2020
64,417 posts
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swittle
Hancock's education stands comparison with that of most of his peers...but that might be partr of the problem. And what's wrong with floristry? 
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Jun 2020
12:35pm, 7 Jun 2020
7,550 posts
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jda
And back on March 13 Sage expert epidemiologist professor John Edmunds was very specifically and forcefully arguing that we should not be imposing measures yet. He was also utterly dismissive of the evidence of a 3-day doubling rate, insisting that this was an artefact of measurements and the true rate was 5 day doubling.
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Jun 2020
12:49pm, 7 Jun 2020
16,641 posts
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Bazoaxe
I have just read on BBC that Edmunds said he wished we had taken action sooner and it would have saved lives. I am assuming he has revised his view based on what happened rather than trying to say that is what he believed all along
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Jun 2020
12:53pm, 7 Jun 2020
7,551 posts
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jda
Yes that seems right though it's not entirely clear whether he admits any fault in the advice that he provided. Wishing we had acted sooner isn't quite the same thing as wishing he had argued for it sooner. The lead on their modelling work still argues that there just wasn't any data to use back then, which is IMO blatantly false and suggests a complete blindness as to how to use data in these situations.
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