Jan 2020
10:05am, 16 Jan 2020
4,420 posts
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1step2far
Stander, i'm afraid you're talking rubbish. It really doesn't work like that. There are targets to triage. I.e. you get seen but the 4 hour target is time to arrival to time of departure. There are allowances for very unwell that take more than 4 hours to 'fix'. (I was an NHS clinical site manager... I know the 4 hour target inside and out). As much as I despise the 4 hour target it needs to stay. It is the only way we have of comparing where we were 10 years ago. (Enough creative accounting goes on about OPEL- alert status as it is... we were told we couldn't declare the alert status we acutually were last winter. We were then told we'd had a better winter as we hadn't had to declare the same high levels as the previous winter. Therefore we had publicly been better despite it being much worse).
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Jan 2020
10:05am, 16 Jan 2020
6,141 posts
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jda
Lol fozzy and your "facts". Like the Tory voters care.
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Jan 2020
10:06am, 16 Jan 2020
1,604 posts
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Surelynot
Bazo - Sturgeon has been clear that the path to independence needs to be legal. I know there are some who talk about UDI or holding a referendum without a S30 order but it's not a position I would support.
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Jan 2020
10:09am, 16 Jan 2020
209 posts
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Stander
1Step, the danger with simplistic targets such as these thought, is that hospitals work to those targets. And not necessarily the best way to actually achieve treatments to those patients.
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Jan 2020
10:14am, 16 Jan 2020
4,421 posts
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1step2far
Stander, I agree, but it needs to stay. As I said allowances are made for those very sick patients. But as an established benchmark it's all we have. 10 years ago we could see, treat and discharge the majority of patients in 4 hours. Now we can't. |
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Jan 2020
10:16am, 16 Jan 2020
1,605 posts
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Surelynot
Labour and Tories seem to have the same playbook on Scottish independence and how the SNP should focus on the day job. They are doing an 'appalling' job, apparently. Health is often used as an example. If you look at A&E 4 hour targets, the performance in England is 68.6%. In Scotland? 85.5%. I'm not suggesting all is perfect in Scotland but this seems to be the dominant narrative in play. |
Jan 2020
10:53am, 16 Jan 2020
827 posts
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Ally-C
Labour seem determined to be an irrelevance in Scotland.
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Jan 2020
11:07am, 16 Jan 2020
2,536 posts
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J2R
And in England too, Ally-C. I'm sure the Labour Left know that if Rebecca Long-Bailey becomes leader there is pretty well zero chance of a Labour government for the foreseeable future. But that's not really what they're after. They just want to keep the impure away from control of their Labour Party.
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Jan 2020
11:17am, 16 Jan 2020
8,351 posts
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simbil
I wonder if labour should shift policy for Scotland in the same way that the tories shifted to defeat the Brexit Party? Would labour campaigning for another indy ref steal votes from the snp without losing votes south of the border? |
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Jan 2020
12:19pm, 16 Jan 2020
8,352 posts
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simbil
Just spent £25 to get a vote in the labour leadership donate.labour.org.uk Deadline approaching if anyone else is thinking of doing the same. |
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