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Jan 2020
10:14am, 14 Jan 2020
9,987 posts
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larkim
(It's true to say of course that it has been held as an accepted truth that Scotland does have a right of self determination by the British Government - otherwise referendums would not have been allowed for. I accept mine would be a minority view!)
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Jan 2020
10:27am, 14 Jan 2020
8,348 posts
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simbil
Does self determination extend to other regions that would vote heavily in favour of the right - Cornwall springs to mind?
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Jan 2020
10:28am, 14 Jan 2020
1,597 posts
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Surelynot
Bazo - I think post-independence there will be an opportunity for the Tory, Lid Dem and Labour parties to relaunch with genuine Scottish agendas much as the Tories did post the 1832 reform bill with the Tamworth Manifesto. An acceptance that things have changed and a commitment to work within the new political reality with conservative, liberal and socialist policies for that new reality. There could be new parties formed. I just don't think the SNP will have a monopoly on power. It's the constitutional situation that's destroyed Labour and reduced the Tories in Scotland to a one policy party.
I do think the Green party would do well judging by some conversations I've been having with friends of my children who are aged between 18 and 27.
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Jan 2020
10:33am, 14 Jan 2020
6,112 posts
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jda
I would think that the casual dismissal of Scotland's status by the English is itself a fairly powerful argument for independence 
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Jan 2020
10:36am, 14 Jan 2020
9,989 posts
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larkim
I think my point at the top of this page suggests that the British don't casually dismiss it - they've actively allowed for Scotland to have a right of self determination. I do question it, but then I don't treat myself as English, and I would like to hope that if I had parents who lived in Scotland, or indeed if I lived there myself, I'd have the same view.
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Jan 2020
10:39am, 14 Jan 2020
9,990 posts
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larkim
@simbil - I don't see how I could argue that, in the event of a 90% vote by Cornish residents in favour of them owning the right to self determination, that they wouldn't have that right and should therefore be allowed to vote on independence. Though international law itself might actually set some higher standards about their claims surrounding the historic status of Cornwall etc, so if the British Govt didn't agree to it they might struggle to get an international tribunal on their side.
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Jan 2020
10:39am, 14 Jan 2020
6,113 posts
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jda
There you go again. You just can't help yourself. "Allowed for Scotland to have a right" indeed.
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Jan 2020
10:39am, 14 Jan 2020
1,598 posts
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Surelynot
I like that Scotland is 'allowed' a basic human right by our big neighbours. We're very grateful.
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Jan 2020
10:44am, 14 Jan 2020
6,114 posts
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jda
I reckon the SNP should sponsor a lecture tour by larkim
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Jan 2020
10:48am, 14 Jan 2020
190 posts
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Stander
Going back a page or two to JDA's comment...... if one of your major expenditure's is in a foreign currency and you don't buy forward that currency, or have a business plan for currency fluctuations - especially during uncertain times such as Brexit, then you will go bust if you operate on thin margins.
That's just a poorly run business. They go pop every day.
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