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jda
jda
Sep 2019
11:01am, 20 Sep 2019
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All that has happened recently is that a couple of people on the EU side have reiterated that they are (still) open to ideas and proposals. This has been wildly spun as meaning we are close to a deal.
Hills of Death (HOD)
Hills of Death (HOD)
Sep 2019
11:51am, 20 Sep 2019
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What's everyone view of Jo Swinson ?
larkim
larkim
Sep 2019
11:56am, 20 Sep 2019
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Honestly, I find it difficult to have a positive impression of anyone that get's excited by being in the middle ground on the big issues. So in my eyes she is tainted by that brush quite badly, as is any LibDem leader past or future.

However, she is at least clear on Brexit.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
Sep 2019
11:57am, 20 Sep 2019
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David Henig (as ever) explains why talk of a "deal being close" is rubbish: twitter.com

Basically BJ et al have proposed a version of the WA with the backstop removed (but apparently *some* alignment on SPS - but not enough - and this only covers 30% of cross-border traffic anyway) and removal of the level-playing field agreements (the EU will *never* agree to this).

The EU have basically just reiterated their position - they are open to concrete suggestions.

Laura K et al are basically just the No10 spin machine.

Listen to what the Brussels-based journalists and the experts (yes, I know) are saying: Katya Adler, Peter Foster etc... all saying pretty much the same thing and it's very different to what the Tory PR chief Kussenburg is saying.
rf_fozzy
rf_fozzy
Sep 2019
11:58am, 20 Sep 2019
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Peter Foster on the "non-papers" : twitter.com
Cerrertonia
Cerrertonia
Sep 2019
11:59am, 20 Sep 2019
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She did some (nothing to do with politics) consulting work for us after she lost her seat and wasn't sure about going back to parliament. (We didn't know it was her who was actually going to turn up and do the work until she arrived.) She impressed me greatly. I absolutely cannot imagine Johnson or Corbyn doing a useful day's work in a business environment.

So, at the very least, smart, competent, likeable, not weird. FWIW, I'd say the same about Heidi Allen & Matt Hancock too - whatever opinions one might hold about their actual politics.
um
um
Sep 2019
12:16pm, 20 Sep 2019
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Any politicians I've met or engaged with, whether I liked their policies or not, have always greatly impressed me - both their 'leadership' style and their abilty to pick out key points quickly & decisively.
(even if they appear absolute d**kheads on TV and in the media, the real person has always been very different - plausible, genuine & capable)
Cerrertonia
Cerrertonia
Sep 2019
12:28pm, 20 Sep 2019
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I've met a few in person who certainly haven't impressed, um.
larkim
larkim
Sep 2019
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rf_fozzy do you really believe that "Tory PR chief LK" stuff? Whenever I read stuff like that it makes me think the contributor is some sort of conspiracy theory nut job (due respect, etc!!) As a card carrying Labour supporter, I've never once heard anything from her which gives me any impression of bias, she's always felt to me equally critical of all sides. But maybe I'm missing something.
jda
jda
Sep 2019
12:30pm, 20 Sep 2019
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They have to be quite charismatic in person to get to where they are. Unfortunately that's the only skill required and not infrequently the only skill possessed. Though some are clearly more than that.

I don't much like Swinson's aggression (opponents are no better of course) but it's pretty much par for the course. I do like that they LDs have taken a clear stance on brexit, much more honest than the labour fudge and it's worth bearing in mind that more than twice as many signed the revoke petition as voted for LD and Green combined in the last general election so it can hardly be considered an extreme minority position.

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