Oct 2014
11:30am, 23 Oct 2014
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Ultracat
I think I will but I don't tend to "race" parkruns every time.
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Oct 2014
11:54am, 23 Oct 2014
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Gobi
Jog it or batter it. No problem
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Oct 2014
5:11pm, 23 Oct 2014
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Canute
UC, The main reason for relatively small amount of threshold training in the polarised approach is that studies show that the required recovery after a tempo session is greater relative to the benefit compared with a high intensity session.
I think this is because the forces acting on the legs increase as speed increases from easy pace to threshold, but the impact increases only a moderate amount more as you increase from threshold pace to high intensity. On the other hand, the duration of high intensity required for a similar gain in aerobic capacity is usually much less than for threshold, so the total impact is likely to be greater with tempo.
In contrast, because distance races from 5K to marathon are run at paces ranging from a little above threshold level to a little below threshold, it might at first sight appear sensible to train at around threshold pace. However, the evidence from several studies demonstrates that is not the case – polarised is usually better because the benefit to cost ratio is better at either low or high intensity paces.
Despite all that, I personally do believe that in preparing for a marathon, one should include a gradually increasing amount of MP pace in some of the longer runs to build the required mental and physical resilience.
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Oct 2014
7:02pm, 23 Oct 2014
4,040 posts
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Rosehip
That all sounds thoroughly logical Canute - thank you. Short, high intensity efforts to start with it is then
I think my winter plan might come together with the help of the Cambridge mile and assorted shorter distances to see where starting point is - I find it so hard to push for "speed" on my own.
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Oct 2014
8:27pm, 23 Oct 2014
1,106 posts
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Canute
Rosehip, Good luck. Whatever changes you make in training , build-up gradually. By all means focus on some mile races, but even before that, it might be helpful get used to some stride-outs: anything from 50 to 150m metres run at about three quarters of maximum effort, repeated several times with intervening recovery joggiing. Stop well before you feel shattered. The aim is to get your legs used to turning over fairly quickly without exhausting yourself.
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Oct 2014
8:45am, 24 Oct 2014
11,050 posts
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Ultracat
Regarding threshold pace, all sounds sensible. Will keep threshold for racing distances longer than 5k.
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Oct 2014
8:57am, 24 Oct 2014
7,698 posts
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Boab
My attempt at polarised training is taking shape. Speed and tempo work (all above 90% of MaxHR) constitute between 15-20% of the total mileage. The rest is easy paced. I've started to use Heart Rate Variation to monitor my recovery from hard sessions and have extended my training cycle to 10-12 days to allow for recovery. It means a long run in the midde of the working week, but I think I can handle that as it means I won't be running long on a Sunday. it will also allow me to race more often as every 2 weeks I have scheduled speed work on a Saturday or Sunday.
As the cycles are extended it means that my training plan for London next year has essentially started as I want to fit in all the sessions I have planned. If I was to attempt to fit this into a 7 day cylce I could start later in the year. It's early days, but hoping this may be the solution to my slump in form over the last few years. A recent bio test confirmed I am in adrenal fatigue and need to adjust my training and recovery in particular.
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Oct 2014
12:39pm, 24 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
Good luck and take care Boab keep us posted how you get on
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Oct 2014
12:19pm, 25 Oct 2014
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Canute
It is great to hear that things are going well. Getting back to peak fitness from a near exhausted state requires patience, but a gradual build-up of volume of easy running balanced by a small amount of high intensity is almost certainly the optimum strategy. Good luck for London 2015.
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Oct 2014
12:42pm, 25 Oct 2014
11,051 posts
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Ultracat
Good luck with the training for London Boab.
Parkrun today as it was very windy decided to take it easier, it was nice to chat on the way round.
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