Polarized training

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SPR
Oct 2014
5:00pm, 21 Oct 2014
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SPR
Don't know whether I ever posted this here, but here is a good presentation by Steve Seiler on polarized training: canal-insep.fr
Oct 2014
5:19pm, 21 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
Hope everyone is enjoying this and seeing the benefit :)

What would you say was a minimum % of max HR to count as low intensity training?

I wore my HRM walking the dog the other day and got an average of 60%MHR, peaking at 64%. I walk for at least 25 mins at least twice a day and average 20mm - so walking quite briskly and occasionally jogging between all the stop-starts/ball throwing (ar^e to grass unweighted squats when picking up the ball ) etc.

I don't usually count it as training, but have been logging dog walks on mapmyrun recently out of interest ( and for the Bounts points ;) ) and wondered if it was enough to count towards low intensity % if I ever get around to working up a decent plan.
SPR
Oct 2014
5:36pm, 21 Oct 2014
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SPR
There is no minimum HR technically, and the presentation above talks about athletes walking to make sure they stay below their max level, and even if you don't actually log it, it has an effect on you.

The opposite would be like doing an all day shopping trip the day before a big race. You might not log it as 5 hours+ training, but I'm sure your body would feel it.

The practical side is, not all training done at a specific HR will improve running at the same rate (eg cycling vs swimming vs running).
SPR
Oct 2014
5:40pm, 21 Oct 2014
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SPR
Re no minimum, I think I've just technically lied :-o, see image below, again from the presentation, which suggests 55%

Oct 2014
6:15pm, 21 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
Thank you - although unfortunately that probably means I could up the high intensity amount by a tiny bit too [ but I probably won't]

just because I find these things interesting I will check dog walking HR and average pace at monthly or so intervals to see if there are changes.
Oct 2014
6:16pm, 21 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
Will have a look at that presentation when I'm I've got something it will play on, this old machine isn't playing ball
SPR
Oct 2014
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SPR
No worries.

In terms of intensity, Zone 1 and 2 are your low intensity zones. 4 and 5 are your high intensity zones. 3 is LT training.
Oct 2014
7:35pm, 21 Oct 2014
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Rosehip
5 isn't going to happen very often! does anyone actually like 95%?
Oct 2014
1:17am, 22 Oct 2014
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Canute
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I agree that if you are aiming to improve your marathon time next year it is best do only a few marathons, and it sound sensible to plan towards a key race in the autumn – though the marathon is always somewhat unpredictable so it is necessary to bear in mind the possibility of a bad day.

As for your plan for frequent 10 milers, Robert DeCastella (who set a marathon world record in the Fukuoka Marahton in 1981, in a time slightly faster than Mo achieved in London this year) used to say that the most important training session for a marathoner was the 365x10miles. In fact his weekly schedule was more varied than that, but he was eager to emphasize that consistency was the key. Another key feature of his training was that he often left workouts feeling like he could have done more if he had had to.

Boab
Actually I use respiratory rate to assess intensity level when running because I think this is more closely related to the accumulation of acidity. However it is as easier to measure and record HR. I do examine HR retrospectively . At present during my easy long runs I am breathing easily at 8 steps per breath which corresponds to around 75% of HR max, but would regard anything up to 83% of max as low intensity. This is fairly much in line with the figure posted by SPR

Rosehip,

I think walking briskly is valuable. For several years , John Keston (who holds the world single age marathon record for a 71 year old of 3:00:18) ran for about two hours every third day, and walked for a similar length of time on each of the intervening two days.

But with regard to your remark about zone 5, I do a very small amount of my high intensity work at 95% of max (breathing very deeply at about 85 breaths/minute). It is exhilarating but only for a few minutes
Oct 2014
8:07am, 22 Oct 2014
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Ultracat
I will see how I get on with my plan over the next few months. My main problem would be the high intensity sessions as I am not good at running outside my comfort zone.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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