Polarized training

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Oct 2014
10:38am, 1 Oct 2014
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Teaboy, I do not think there is a definite answer regarding fibre type, but I am inclined to think that for a person with a higher proportion of type 2 (fast twitch fibres) it is even more important to maximise the type 1 (slow fibres) that are better adapted to use fat and hence produce less lactic acid while conserving glycogen.

Further info re Renato Canova's approach: Here is an excerpt one of his posts on Lets Run last year :

‘For marathon runners, we need simple exercises not for increasing muscle strength or muscle power, BUT FOR GIVING THE BODY A BASIC EFFICIENCY in order to start the real training for their event.

Improving the ENDURANCE is the cake.
Maintaining (or recovering after a marathon) the full EFFICIENCY is the small cherry on the cake.
Using weights and heavy exercises for increasing the maximal strength is the way for making the cake uneatable.
Every training for improving the ENDURANCE must have the target to change physiological parameters connected with metabolic and bioenergetic factors, and this is possible only using the specific activity (running) in all the possible expressions (different speeds and different distances), without forgetting that SPECIFIC is related with the DURATION of the exercise
Every training for improving the SPEED must have the target to change physiological parameters connected with biomechanical and nervous activities in all the possible expressions of the STRENGTH, without forgetting that SPECIFC is related with the INTENSITY of the exercise.’

Although Renato undoubtedly places great emphasis on demanding long runs (up to 40Km with a substantial portion near to race pace) during the race specific preparation period, he also advocates a balanced program that includes a range of paces designed to produce specific adaptations.
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7:14pm, 1 Oct 2014
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Few things

Radcliffe had many years just off the top on the track, and was known as a junior. Secondly, her marathon record is so far ahead of it's time that the the question of whether her training was also ahead of its time.

Although Renato talks about the key changes to marathon training recently, he doesn't say a percentage. It would be interesting to know what this meant in number terms. Renato seems to be quite open about the training done, so hopefully a schedule will appear soon.
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Oct 2014
7:27pm, 1 Oct 2014
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Renato's comment about a change in mentality rings true though. They race each other now, and the best talent seems to go straight to the roads.
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11:13am, 2 Oct 2014
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I agree that it is an interesting question about whether Paula Radcliffe’s training was ahead of its time. I suspect it was ahead of its time for females. Others such as Grete Waitz had trained with similar intensity – but much less volume. In the early days of her track and cross country career Radcliffe did not do a large volume of training though she was plagued by injury throughout – possible because of muscular weakness. I think that the review with Gerald Hartmann following her disappointment in the 10,000m in Sydney in 2000 was the crucial factor leading to her phenomenal marathon performances in 2002 and 2003, as described in my Wordpress Blog. canute1.wordpress.com

The issue that really intrigues me is why no other woman has come near her record. I do not think it is because women train less hard – in fact those qualifying for US Olympic Trials actually do a higher proportion of training at MP or faster than the men who qualify for the trials.

So in my mind the really big question is would women do better with polarised training. Ingrid Kristiansen employed a polarized approach prior to setting a world record of 2:21:06 in London in 1985 - despite the huge challenge Norwegians face in doing a high enough volume of running in winter on account of the snow. I believe Ingrid did a lot of treadmill training. At one stage she moved to Stavanger, which has a milder climate than Oslo. Furthermore, expectation has moved forwards since 1985.

I totally agree about the importance of mental attitude in the men’s event. In Beijing, Sammy Wanjiru provided a clear illustration of how to race a marathon; Wilson Kipsang's victory in VLM in 2012 was built on an awe-inspiring surge around half way, while Dennis Kim and Emmanual Mutai raced virtually all the way in Berlin last week
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11:28am, 2 Oct 2014
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With regard to starting ones international career with the marathon, Tsegaye Mekonnen’s victory in 2:04:32 in Dubai in April this year at age 18 is a dramatic illustration. A part of me wonders whether this is too young to be racing the marathon that fast. He will be running in Frankfurt this month. It will be extremely interesting to see if he can maintain the form he demonstrated in Dubai. He is training in a reasonably polarised manner but nonetheless I am concerned he might burn out.
Oct 2014
4:38pm, 5 Oct 2014
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Week 31 Polarised training
Easy running: 442 min, 6:16 /Km, aHR 117 (75%)
Elliptical easy: 68 min
High intensity: 24 min. 2x3min; 3x6 min, peak HR 93%
Total 534 min; 95.5% easy, 4.5 % high intensity

My main focus continues to be increasing the duration of the 4 easy longish runs each week. There was no evidence of cumulative tiredness after 4x110 minutes
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5:31pm, 5 Oct 2014
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Canute - Sounds like the plan is going well atm.

Re, the women, maybe the pacers and competition have something to do with it. The men have a pack that can run WR pace for some distance. Previously, the one woman that looked like she could get close was Keitany, but she hasn't targeted it (apart from NY when she blew up), and usually was on her own once she increased the pace. One of the arguments for male pacers for women was they couldn't find good enough women pacers.
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6:14pm, 5 Oct 2014
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I think that competition/pacing is part of the story. Paula had a male pacer all the way for her WR in 2003. That WR time was consistent with her speed at lactate threshold at the time, so maybe she required a pacer to lift her to her physiological potential. I do not know whether other female marathoners lack Paula’ physiological development or alternatively are failing to achieve what their physiology predicts. Shelane Flanagan was actually paced by Ryan Vail in Berlin two weeks ago, but nonetheless couldn’t break 2:21.

On the basis of rather limited evidence, I am inclined to speculate that current elite female marathoners train too hard but I am not sure they have the optimum mental approach for fast racing. The way in which Florence and Edna Kiplagat ran side by side like best friends along the embankment in London this year was sweet but lacked the grittiness of the battle between Wilson Kipsang and Stanley Biwott.
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6:35pm, 5 Oct 2014
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Having a look at the times for HM is interesting for women vs men.

Assuming sub 67 is the threshold for being capable of the WR (and that may be generous), it doesn't look like there are many capable looking at this list: alltime-athletics.com

Compare this to the men using sub 60 here: alltime-athletics.com

The list has people multiple times and obvious all of those couldn't run a WR, but they can assist with running the record by running at the required pace to say 30km.

Do you think the women are training relatively harder than men?
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6:39pm, 5 Oct 2014
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Flanagan's fastest time for example on that list is 68:31, which makes 2:21 seem like a good conversion for her.

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Polarised training is a form of training that places emphasis on the two extremes of intensity. There is a large amount of low intensity training (comfortably below lactate threshold) and an appreciable minority of high intensity training (above LT).

Polarised training does also include some training near lactate threshold, but the amount of threshold training is modest, in contrast to the relatively high proportion of threshold running that is popular among some recreational runners.

Polarised training is not new. It has been used for many years by many elites and some recreational runners. However, it has attracted great interest in recent years for two reasons.

First, detailed reviews of the training of many elite endurance athletes confirms that they employ a polarised approach (typically 80% low intensity, 10% threshold and 10% high intensity. )

Secondly, several scientific studies have demonstrated that for well trained athletes who have reached a plateau of performance, polarised training produces greater gains in fitness and performance, than other forms of training such as threshold training on the one hand, or high volume, low intensity training on the other.

Much of the this evidence was reviewed by Stephen Seiler in a lecture delivered in Paris in 2013 .
vimeo.com

In case you cannot access that lecture by Seiler in 2013, here is a link to his more recent TED talk.

ted.com
This has less technical detail than his 2013 talk, but is nonetheless a very good introduction to the topic. It should be noted that from the historical perspective, Seiler shows a US bias.

Here is another useful video by Stephen Seiler in which he discusses the question of the optimum intensity and duration of low intensity sessions. Although the answer ‘depends on circumstances’ he proposes that a low intensity session should be long enough to reach the point where there are detectable indications of rising stress (either the beginning of upwards drift of HR or increased in perceived effort). If longer than this, there is increasing risk of damaging effects. A session shorter than this might not be enough to produce enough stress to achieve a useful training effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXc474Hu5U


The coach who probably deserves the greatest credit for emphasis on the value of low intensity training was Arthur Lydiard, who coached some of the great New Zealanders in the 1960's and Scandinavians in the 1970’s. One of his catch-phrases was 'train, don't strain'. However Lydiard never made it really clear what he meant by ‘quarter effort’. I have discussed Lydiard’s ideas on several occasions on my Wordpress blog. For example: canute1.wordpress.com

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